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Kevin · #1 12-13-2006, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

I have a hard time saying I wouldn't vote for a Mormon because I know there are a lot of people who wouldn't vote for a Catholic, but I really don't know if I ever could. I do know that I wouldn't vote for Romney.

What does Mr. GP think about Romney?

Just curious...

shinerbock · #2 12-13-2006, 09:54 AM

I personally am not a Frist fan, I was glad to see him drop his bid. However, Russ getting called out by Frist is indicative of the disconnect between Feingold and the mainstream left. He has about as much a chance as Santorum.

GeekyPenguin · #3 12-13-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I personally am not a Frist fan, I was glad to see him drop his bid. However, Russ getting called out by Frist is indicative of the disconnect between Feingold and the mainstream left. He has about as much a chance as Santorum.

I don't know...I would consider Wisconsin voters pretty indicative of the "mainstream left."

MysticCat · #4 12-13-2006, 10:04 AM

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God I'm so glad I don't live in the south.

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Well at least you don't pretend you're not a bigot, I'll give you that much.

The irony is beautiful.

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As for the south, the SBC doesn't run the south. Obviously there will be a hold up, but seeing as Mitt will likely emerge as the most conservative realistic candidate, I don't think you'll see southerners swarming to the polls for McCain or a certain yank from NY. Unless something happens (scandal!), I think Mitt will be the GOP candidate. You can hold me to it.

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I think the Mormon faith is misguided, but come on, its not scientology or anything.

No the SBC certainly doesn't run the South -- only parts of it. (Just kidding.) And I know many good people who are Mormons as well.

But I also know many more Baptists and other evangelicals who consider Mormonism a cult, not that far from Scientology or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Check out Gallup's Poll on the subject (9th one down, I think). 66% of those polled said America isn't ready for a Mormon president -- only atheists and gays did worse.

I still say that I will be surprised if the GOP nominates Romney.

AlexMack · #5 12-13-2006, 10:29 AM

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The irony is beautiful.

Yes, saying I'm glad I don't live somewhere is truly bigoted. What was I thinking?

MysticCat · #6 12-13-2006, 10:45 AM

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Yes, saying I'm glad I don't live somewhere is truly bigoted. What was I thinking?

Well, from the context as well as other comments you have made, it's pretty clear what you were thinking. You were thinking that the South is a backward, irrational, ultra-conservative, way-too religious place where people don't think for themselves, embrace creationism, are ignorantly horrified at the thought of gay rights and same-sex marriages, and don't have the idea that "everyone should get to be happy." It is a place that does not share your values and that you, therefore, would not be able to tolerate. Which gets us to "bigot."

It's alright. You can admit it. I wouldn't want live anywhere other than the South, and I can assure you that my feeling is due to largely to prejudices about other parts of the country, expecially the Northeast. (Well, that plus the weather and the accents.) I am, therefore and in this regard, a bigot, and I do not apologize for it at all.

shinerbock · #7 12-13-2006, 10:46 AM

I know mystic, but I think those polls are likely to change. Lets be honest, the country really hasn't been confronted with mormonism on a grand scale yet. Theres also difference between southern conservatives telling a pollster that they won't vote for a mormon, and in voting for someone like Hillary when it comes down to it. If there were another feasible candidate, I'd agree with you. McCain and Rudy just aren't going to cut it, especially if we get to a 3 person primary debate.

MysticCat · #8 12-13-2006, 10:59 AM

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Lets be honest, the country really hasn't been confronted with mormonism on a grand scale yet.

No? I can see the push polls now: "Would you be more or less likely to vote for Mitt Romney if you knew that he was a Mormon, and that Mormons have historically practiced polygamy?" Below the belt and misleading? Sure. But that won't stop anything. Ask McCain about South Carolina in 2000. Ask Matt Salmon about the Arizona gubernatorial race, when just a few weeks before the election, a third-party candidate ran ads linking Salmon's Mormonism to Colorado City, Arizona, and the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

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also difference between southern conservatives telling a pollster that they won't vote for a mormon, and in voting for someone like Hillary when it comes down to it.

Quite true. I don't think Romney vs. Hillary will be the issue, though. I'll be surprised if Romney is the GOP nominee, partially because I think many evangelicals, who may not publically admit that they would not vote to put a Mormon in the White House, will in fact not vote for him.

shinerbock · #9 12-13-2006, 11:20 AM

Who is gonna beat him? Everyone says he has the most buzz of any conservative candidate. McCain can't beat him in the primary, neither can Rudy. He was behind only Frist in the TN straw, and has done well in all the Iowa ones. I think being mormon will be something to overcome, but I don't think he'll have much competition when it gets going. McCain will have just as many, if not more problems luring voters in the GOP primaries. Rudy is not a serious candidate.

shinerbock · #10 12-13-2006, 10:50 AM

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Yes, saying I'm glad I don't live somewhere is truly bigoted. What was I thinking?

But apparently the viewpoint that gay marriage shouldnt be implemented makes one a bigot...

AlexMack · #11 12-13-2006, 11:25 AM

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But apparently the viewpoint that gay marriage shouldnt be implemented makes one a bigot...

I'm sorry Shinerbock, I jumped the gun and assumed that you're homophobic. Please tell me your actual stance on gay rights and I won't call you names without evidential proof.

GeekyPenguin · #12 12-13-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

What does Mr. GP think about Romney?

Just curious...

I asked him last night and he said he would not consider Romney's Mormon-ness but he thought that Romney was a little TOO conservative. Mr. GP is more libertarian than anything else and sometimes he surprises me. Not loving Romney was one of them...either that or he was trying to placate me during finals.

Kevin · #13 12-13-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

I asked him last night and he said he would not consider Romney's Mormon-ness but he thought that Romney was a little TOO conservative. Mr. GP is more libertarian than anything else and sometimes he surprises me. Not loving Romney was one of them...either that or he was trying to placate me during finals.

Sounds like he and I are on the same page then.

I differ with him on the Mormon thing. We had a Mormon Congressman here in Oklahoma for awhile -- he really hooked up Salt Lake City while hosing us. I can live with the differences in faith. That's not a big deal. It's the Salt Lake connection which bugs me.

shinerbock · #14 12-13-2006, 01:47 PM

Geeky, you may be right. Perhaps I should have said something along the lines of the nationally electable left.

Centaur, I don't agree with gay marriage. I really don't care about civil unions. I mean, if people want civil unions, i'm not gonna protest. I won't be overly upset if they aren't implemented, however.

GeekyPenguin · #15 12-13-2006, 02:38 PM

Kevin, I think he isn't bothered by the Mormon thing because he himself is a member of, a, um, less "prestigious" religion than ours.

shiner, I think you may be right about nationally electable - I really do like Feingold though, he's been a fantastic senator for WI and I think he'd be fairly popular in the Midwest, although I don't know if he has national appeal.