the deal with the canes...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

Now as far as being Dogmatic or using the dog.

LOL. Senruset, I wonder why folks started using "dogmatic" like this. Was there a song lyric that confused people, or something? Who can I blame...George Clinton? Snoop Dog?

Originally Posted by marquise1911

If you don't know now ya know. Better yet, if you don't know bout me just ask around. Marquise is known in these parts.

Eh...there is accuracy in your statements but that's based on researching history through documentation and old school member accounts. Not because "the great marquise1911 said."

ETA: The colored canes (and stepping and strolling with canes) debate is different than the "who carried canes debate." Many men carried canes in the earlier 1900s because it was a sign of being a gentleman and so forth. It was initially not fraternity related but transfered over. This is why you will see different fraternities with canes in their pledge line photos or just walking across the yard. So whether carrying canes began with fraternity-specific meaning or just evolved into a fraternity-specific meaning is something that is almost impossible to prove 100% considering what was happening in the general population.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

LOL. Senruset, I wonder why folks started using "dogmatic" like this. Was there a song lyric that confused people, or something? Who can I blame...George Clinton? Snoop Dog?

Lol! No the ques abused it! That is all

Eh...there is accuracy in your statements but that's based on researching history through documentation and old school member accounts. Not because "the great marquise1911 said."

Lol! Yes Ma'am, but It sounds much better the way I said it!

ETA: The colored canes (and stepping and strolling with canes) debate is different than the "who carried canes debate." Many men carried canes in the earlier 1900s because it was a sign of being a gentleman and so forth. It was initially not fraternity related but transfered over. This is why you will see different fraternities with canes in their pledge line photos or just walking across the yard. So whether carrying canes began with fraternity-specific meaning or just evolved into a fraternity-specific meaning is something that is almost impossible to prove 100% considering what was happening in the general population.

Correction, gentlemen carried fashionable walking sticks and pledges carried stalfs. My founders carried canes, which were a sign of injury. Ask yourself what man bares signs of injury with pride?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

Correction, gentlemen carried fashionable walking sticks and pledges carried stalfs. My founders carried canes, which were a sign of injury. Ask yourself what man bares signs of injury with pride?

Actually gentlemen carried staffs, walking sticks AND canes. I didn't mention the former two b/c the topic is canes. I've seen pictures of GDIs and fraternity men beyond KAPsi carrying canes from decades ago. Your founders carried canes as signs of injury but that doesn't mean anything for the general point. Canes were and are used for more than injury.

http://www.canesandsuch.com/history.html

So the origins of the cane for black fraternity men is a washed up topic since it was used by "gentlemen" in general and college educated bruthas at that time were in the "gentlemen" mold. But who started associating the cane as a symbol for their fraternity and stepping with it is a different topic that may never be proven unless PBS and KAPsi have official documentation to share.