the deal with the canes...

KAPPAtivating · #1 12-05-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lusherhotboy

Alot of things are borrowed from other orgs back in the day and everyone doesnt use the same things they started with. Its funny that we allow superficial things to separate our true brotherhood and sisterhood in Christ. We could make a huge impact on our campuses and communities as black students if we worked together more rather than take diferrences to the level of hatred. If you begin to despise a person or organization on the basis of their appearance, then there is a problem. How bout we argue about gpa's or community service or somethin.

One phrase speaks volumes: "Achievement in EVERY field of human endeavor."

PrettyBoy · #2 12-05-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating

One phrase speaks volumes: "Achievement in EVERY field of human endeavor."

Good response!

marquise1911 · #3 12-08-2006, 12:33 PM

Umm. I hate for this to be my come back post, but WTF??? Sigmas were not the first with the canes, not the first to step with them, not the first to use them. Go ahead, check Howard's history. Our first colored canes appeared in 1953, but our founders and members have been carying them since the early history of our fraternity. Sigmas didn't even start using canse until the late 60's. I dare you to find anything with PBS and canes older than that.

Now as far as being Dogmatic or using the dog. WE ALL DID!!! At one point in time all pledges were called dogs and that's why some Omegas get offended when u call them Q-dogs. To be a dog means ur still pledging. The Ques took that image and ran with it. We let it go. They can have it. so stop crying about it.

If you don't know now ya know. Better yet, if you don't know bout me just ask around. Marquise is known in these parts.

Wsup Guys!!! Been a while. They blocked Greekchat.com, so I gotta get in when I can!

KAPPAtivating · #4 12-08-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

Umm. I hate for this to be my come back post, but WTF??? Sigmas were not the first with the canes, not the first to step with them, not the first to use them. Go ahead, check Howard's history. Our first colored canes appeared in 1953, but our founders and members have been carying them since the early history of our fraternity. Sigmas didn't even start using canse until the late 60's. I dare you to find anything with PBS and canes older than that.

Now as far as being Dogmatic or using the dog. WE ALL DID!!! At one point in time all pledges were called dogs and that's why some Omegas get offended when u call them Q-dogs. To be a dog means ur still pledging. The Ques took that image and ran with it. We let it go. They can have it. so stop crying about it.

If you don't know now ya know. Better yet, if you don't know bout me just ask around. Marquise is known in these parts.

Wsup Guys!!! Been a while. They blocked Greekchat.com, so I gotta get in when I can!

Where ya been Bruh? Kappa Korner has gotten slow these days. Kinda feels like watching everybody move out the old neighborhood.

marquise1911 · #5 12-12-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating

Where ya been Bruh? Kappa Korner has gotten slow these days. Kinda feels like watching everybody move out the old neighborhood.

Lol! It get's slow from time to time. But I pop in and out to see what y'all be up too. You need to get on facebook. I got some peeps I want you to meet...

KAPPAtivating · #6 12-14-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

Lol! It get's slow from time to time. But I pop in and out to see what y'all be up too. You need to get on facebook. I got some peeps I want you to meet...

I might try the facebook phenom...

ziasha07 · #7 04-12-2007, 09:56 PM

To anybody who has posted in this thread in the last 3 1/2 years... Did you read the first 2 1/2 pages? You had the same discussion THREE seperate times! "Sigmas first... no it was kappas... SGRho... I seen everybody... not Ques... not Alphas.... Deltas and AKAs, what?"

Learn how to read! After the topic is debated once and the history of the Cane/Kane/Staff/Stick is broken down three seperate times, you all look awful silly and ignorant debating it again. As is quite often with GC, if you are going to post in a 5-year-old thread after two years your statement has probably already been typed!

DSTCHAOS · #8 12-08-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

Now as far as being Dogmatic or using the dog.

LOL. Senruset, I wonder why folks started using "dogmatic" like this. Was there a song lyric that confused people, or something? Who can I blame...George Clinton? Snoop Dog?

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

If you don't know now ya know. Better yet, if you don't know bout me just ask around. Marquise is known in these parts.

Eh...there is accuracy in your statements but that's based on researching history through documentation and old school member accounts. Not because "the great marquise1911 said."

ETA: The colored canes (and stepping and strolling with canes) debate is different than the "who carried canes debate." Many men carried canes in the earlier 1900s because it was a sign of being a gentleman and so forth. It was initially not fraternity related but transfered over. This is why you will see different fraternities with canes in their pledge line photos or just walking across the yard. So whether carrying canes began with fraternity-specific meaning or just evolved into a fraternity-specific meaning is something that is almost impossible to prove 100% considering what was happening in the general population.

marquise1911 · #9 12-12-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

LOL. Senruset, I wonder why folks started using "dogmatic" like this. Was there a song lyric that confused people, or something? Who can I blame...George Clinton? Snoop Dog?

Lol! No the ques abused it! That is all

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Eh...there is accuracy in your statements but that's based on researching history through documentation and old school member accounts. Not because "the great marquise1911 said."

Lol! Yes Ma'am, but It sounds much better the way I said it!

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ETA: The colored canes (and stepping and strolling with canes) debate is different than the "who carried canes debate." Many men carried canes in the earlier 1900s because it was a sign of being a gentleman and so forth. It was initially not fraternity related but transfered over. This is why you will see different fraternities with canes in their pledge line photos or just walking across the yard. So whether carrying canes began with fraternity-specific meaning or just evolved into a fraternity-specific meaning is something that is almost impossible to prove 100% considering what was happening in the general population.

Correction, gentlemen carried fashionable walking sticks and pledges carried stalfs. My founders carried canes, which were a sign of injury. Ask yourself what man bares signs of injury with pride?

DSTCHAOS · #10 12-12-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by marquise1911

Correction, gentlemen carried fashionable walking sticks and pledges carried stalfs. My founders carried canes, which were a sign of injury. Ask yourself what man bares signs of injury with pride?

Actually gentlemen carried staffs, walking sticks AND canes. I didn't mention the former two b/c the topic is canes. I've seen pictures of GDIs and fraternity men beyond KAPsi carrying canes from decades ago. Your founders carried canes as signs of injury but that doesn't mean anything for the general point. Canes were and are used for more than injury.

http://www.canesandsuch.com/history.html

So the origins of the cane for black fraternity men is a washed up topic since it was used by "gentlemen" in general and college educated bruthas at that time were in the "gentlemen" mold. But who started associating the cane as a symbol for their fraternity and stepping with it is a different topic that may never be proven unless PBS and KAPsi have official documentation to share.