Getting rid of collegians because they don't fit the image?

[kddani]

Originally Posted by 33girl

You're getting this one confused with the other thread.

According to the OP in LJ, there was none of that going on in the chapter at DePauw.

Of course, I wouldn't necessarily trust that to be truthful

Plus, he's not even on campus anymore, so it seems like his information is based solely on hearsay and the gossip chain.

[33girl]

I'm gonna be really shallow here.

I looked at the site of the chapter in question and they just don't strike me as big partyers/druggies.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm gonna be really shallow here.

I looked at the site of the chapter in question and they just don't strike me as big partyers/druggies.

What makes you say that, out of curiousity? How can you judge by how they appear? I know young women of all shapes, sizes, colors and levels of beauty who partied like crazy.

But of course, all of us are speculating based on some random fraternity alumnus from that campus's LJ rant

[irishpipes]

And to answer your question about why they left some active members: they could not get a guarantee from the University or the Pan-Hellenic Council that they chapter (which happens to be, I believe, their oldest surviving chapter) would be allowed to re-open its doors once the last "old" member graduated.

This information must be incorrect. The chapters at DePauw are:
Alpha Phi 1887
Alpha Chi Omega 1885
Delta Gamma 1949
Delta Zeta 1909
Kappa Alpha Theta 1870
Kappa Kappa Gamma 1875
Pi Beta Phi 1942

He references the "oldest surviving chapter." Well, DePauw hosts the Alpha chapters of both Kappa Alpha Theta and Alpha Chi Omega. They don't have "image" problems at DePauw, unless things have changed drastically recently. No other chapter could be the oldest surviving. Alpha Phi, DG, and KKG all still have their Alphas open, ane we all know DG and Pi Phi have chapters older than 1949 and 1942. The LJ poster didn't have these facts straight, which could lead one to believe that other facts are not straight...

[33girl]

Dani, I said I was being shallow, LOL.

IP - when he says "their oldest surviving chapter" he means "their" as in the national sorority, not "their" as in DePauw.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Dani, I said I was being shallow, LOL.

IP - when he says "their oldest surviving chapter" he means "their" as in the national sorority, not "their" as in DePauw.

Loved your last sentence, btw.

*shaking my head at some of these douchebags*

[archangel689]

I'm not one to go and defend this type of behavior normally, but as a brother that joined in colony status and a founding father...


IMAGE IS SO highly regarded because recruitment is so important at this time and it so incredibly difficult to find new members because you are small and everyone looks on you as weak.

Members HAD TO PUT THE GROUP before themselves in order for the group to survive! Men that didn't shave, or had bad habits with regard to showering, or had bad clothing style are asked to fix these things, and a lot of times they didn't want to! and left the group because of it... and this is perfectly acceptable...

We never asked anything of anyone that they couldn't control... and we certainly never booted anyone because of genetics... We never asked that you not be your self, we just simply asked that you be your best self.... and represent us as best you can.

I think that DZ has probably endured the same problems we did... and are attempted the same thing, and It doesn't surprise me that a large faction of their group quit, or left or was asked to leave, THIS IS COMMON FOR COLONIES AS the group figures out and ESTABLISHES its identity!!!

Unfortunately, I think that these girls, were not willing to make the needed changes to support growth of the colony!!!

Now that our colony is a chapter, and is now stablizing, I've noticed that because their reputation has been built, recruiting is FAR FAR FAR easier and the guys worry a lot less about image...

It's really hard starting a colony, especially when you're dealing with freshmen who are retarded and superficial as hell and inspect who they join with a microscope.

I saw this covered on CNN and I was outraged that this was displayed on TV like a fucking soap opera, and that pledged author needs to put a sock in it.

[GDIfly]

They weren't colonizing; they were dwindling. There is a huge difference between choosing founding members based on their ability to recruit a strong alpha class and kicking out initiated sisters because they aren't recruiting the prettiest, thinnest, whitest, and/or sluttiest girls.

[archangel689]

I don't agree with that statement. A dwindling and weak group below healthy numbers faces a lot of the same challenges a colony does... reputation being one of them. In fact, on some campuses, including mine--once a chapter drops so far in numbers it loses chapter status and, is, in affect, technically a colony, such as in this case.

I am under the impression from the CNN news report that the girls were asked to make certain changes to their behavior (which would include superficial things like makeup, or hair, etc) to better represent and sell the sorority; and the girls didn't want to and left.


This, some people would find alarming. But if the sorority isn't selling what the majority of freshmen girls want to buy, the colony will continue to dwindle in numbers and die.

This is the cold hard truth.

Originally Posted by GDIfly

They weren't colonizing; they were dwindling. There is a huge difference between choosing founding members based on their ability to recruit a strong alpha class and kicking out initiated sisters because they aren't recruiting the prettiest, thinnest, whitest, and/or sluttiest girls.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by archangel689

I don't agree with that statement. A dwindling and weak group below healthy numbers faces a lot of the same challenges a colony does... reputation being one of them. In fact, on some campuses, including mine--once a chapter drops so far in numbers it loses chapter status and, is, in affect, technically a colony, such as in this case.

I am under the impression from the CNN news report that the girls were asked to make certain changes to their behavior (which would include superficial things like makeup, or hair, etc) to better represent and sell the sorority; and the girls didn't want to and left.


This, some people would find alarming. But if the sorority isn't selling what the majority of freshmen girls want to buy, the colony will continue to dwindle in numbers and die.

This is the cold hard truth.

Those girls didn't look like they had a grooming problem or that they didn't know how to put on make up. In the picture they all look clean, well groomed, made up...just not barbies. I get the impression it might have been more along the lines of changing their body types and clothing styles. Which involves genetics and something that can be very important to a person's identity.

[archangel689]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

Those girls didn't look like they had a grooming problem or that they didn't know how to put on make up. In the picture they all look clean, well groomed, made up...just not barbies. I get the impression it might have been more along the lines of changing their body types and clothing styles. Which involves genetics and something that can be very important to a person's identity.

Then someone is a sicko.

[33girl]

archangel:

This wasn't a colony. This was DZ's second oldest chapter. And the "individualistic" outlook of the chapter was nothing new.

Did you see the pictures of the girls? They were hardly ugly or ungroomed. They just weren't Paris Hilton clones. And they were smart enough to question what was being asked of them and whether it really was true to the values of DZ as it was founded.

Not to mention that the women of the chapter were all active on campus - they were hardly the social retards people painted them as.

[archangel689]

Second oldest, ouch.

So, they weren't having trouble with recruitment?


I don't know then. I can only offer input from my perpective, the DZs I know, and how my campus operates. From my perspective, even old fraternities, when tiny, are much like colonies, except with a very large alumni base that is "helping" them. Usually really old chapters get alot of attention (I guess like what we see here).

Nationals are somewhat fanatical about their oldest chapters... we've been trying to get our "other" Alpha back for years. They can be really ridiculous about our bigger chapters. So, I guess its possible that someone would just be that crazy and boot these girls because they weren't the exact image of what they wanted.


I was simply offering an alternative possibility...

Originally Posted by 33girl

archangel:

This wasn't a colony. This was DZ's second oldest chapter. And the "individualistic" outlook of the chapter was nothing new.

Did you see the pictures of the girls? They were hardly ugly or ungroomed. They just weren't Paris Hilton clones. And they were smart enough to question what was being asked of them and whether it really was true to the values of DZ as it was founded.

Not to mention that the women of the chapter were all active on campus - they were hardly the social retards people painted them as.