Now my favorite: US Airways

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I don't pass judgement on people, but I'm not getting on a plane with the same people that support Saddam, and hate my country. You can, but I'm not.

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or are you in favor of profiling? When you're pulled over by the police do you say "Officer, its perfectly fine for you to pull me over without probable cause just because I'm Black and other Black people commit crimes."

[DeltAlum]

Profiling happens and has happened for years -- and not all ethnic based.

I have a friend who has long blonde hair and drives a Mercedes. He is constantly being stopped and searched for drugs because that combination is allegedly a profile for drug dealers.

Or ask a some teenagers who don't dress "normally" whether the cops profile them.

Since I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what happened, but if what has been posted above about these mens behavior beyond the prayers is true, I might have felt pretty uncomfortable about it myself.

I think there is a difference between profiling because of ethnic or religious background and behavior beyond that background.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I don't pass judgment on people, but I'm not getting on a plane with the same people that support Saddam, and hate my country. You can, but I'm not.

Do you have any problem with our own home grown "trouble-makers" whom could have some connection with others?

Think of all the WASP's, CAP's, et el that we have already here that can and do cause problems.

As well as our share of idiots: And AA plane was diverted over the weekend because passengers smelt burning matches. A long story short; a woman was lighting up safety matches in order to cover up her B.O.

And just how many people have we heard about NOT taking their medicines while on a plane?

And profiling is rather old: I was pulled over for a drug search in Up-State New York years ago. Why? I was driving a Merkur XR4-TI which was a rare sight up there and the Trooper though he should check me out. I had no problem with it-laughed about it then and now.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or are you in favor of profiling? When you're pulled over by the police do you say "Officer, its perfectly fine for you to pull me over without probable cause just because I'm Black and other Black people commit crimes."

If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Do you have any problem with our own home grown "trouble-makers" whom could have some connection with others?

Think of all the WASP's, CAP's, et el that we have already here that can and do cause problems.

As well as our share of idiots: And AA plane was diverted over the weekend because passengers smelt burning matches. A long story short; a woman was lighting up safety matches in order to cover up her B.O.

And just how many people have we heard about NOT taking their medicines while on a plane?

And profiling is rather old: I was pulled over for a drug search in Up-State New York years ago. Why? I was driving a Merkur XR4-TI which was a rare sight up there and the Trooper though he should check me out. I had no problem with it-laughed about it then and now.

XR4-TI? Nice car. Rare sight everywhere, except Europe (Ford Sierra)

As far as our own trouble makers, I don't hang out at places where these people are.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

XR4-TI? Nice car. Rare sight everywhere, except Europe (Ford Sierra)

As far as our own trouble makers, I don't hang out at places where these people are.

Thanks-I loved that car but a "mechanic" messed it all up .
As for hanging out, if you are anywhere, so are they.
I am not even talking about airports or even bars.
Last night, I was in a spin class when we heard some noise from outside the room. Turns out that a "civil"/"friendly" game of pick up b-ball got rather ugly.
And this is a nice, "upscale" gym I am talking about.
Rather odd to see both building security and police officers in front lobby of gym.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

Don't forget that the US helped Saddam come to power.

Not supporting this (unjust) war doesn't neccessarily mean that they supported Saddam. Many Muslims I know abhor Saddam, yet don't support this war. Heck- many Christians, Jews, Hindus, and atheists I know don't support the war and don't support Saddam. Praying to whatever deity you choose also doesn't mean that they hate this country.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

That's cute, but you didn't address either of my first two points...so I'll post them again to you

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or is that difficult for you to understand.

And it seems a stretch to say that if someone is pro-Saddam then they are anti-US, considering that we now know that Saddam was not behind 9/11 and considering that Saddam was our best buddy in the 80's.

[shinerbock]

Osama was pretty cozy with the US back in the day as well. Obviously doesn't mean his supporters are fans of America.

[laylo]

I would just like to make the general point that "Muslim" and "Arab" should not be used interchangeably, particualrly in terms of Americans. Most Arab Americans are Christian, most Muslim Americans are not Arabs. Carry on.

[_Opi_]

whether y'all like it or not, anyone who wants to fly will have a file with their risk assesment. This is a new policy for airports (I've read it on cnn.com about a week ago..I'll try to find an article on this). Apparantly, they will keep a record on you, and you are not allowed to see this "record" and challenge it if it contains any inaccuracies.

http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_210...=1&oref=slogin

So basically, everyone will be profiled.


I find it ridiculous when people make comments like "they hate us and our freedoms" or better yet, "they hate america, and that means they hate me". Pick up a book, learn something, and then make an intelligent argument.

[shinerbock]

Terrorists aren't fond of America or Americans. I've picked up books, and read them. I suppose this is the time when you start justifying their violence. I'll wait and see how your argument develops.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I suppose this is the time when you start justifying their violence. I'll wait and see how your argument develops.

I don't have any arguments. And when did I ever justify terrorist violence? What exactly are you getting at here?

[shinerbock]

I probably jumped the gun. It happens, sorry. Sometimes I read through a thread and am so pissed at the end that I jump all over the last person who posted something that rubs me the wrong way.
-At the time, I was expecting an argument of "they don't just hate our freedom, look at how we treat them, thats why they hate us..." or something along those lines.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Thanks-I loved that car but a "mechanic" messed it all up .
As for hanging out, if you are anywhere, so are they.
I am not even talking about airports or even bars.
Last night, I was in a spin class when we heard some noise from outside the room. Turns out that a "civil"/"friendly" game of pick up b-ball got rather ugly.
And this is a nice, "upscale" gym I am talking about.
Rather odd to see both building security and police officers in front lobby of gym.

Sorry to hear about the ride. That sucks!

You're right, trouble can start everywhere, but if it's the obvious, I avoid it. Like if I literally heard some Muslims praying to allah and supporting Saddam "Insane" right before a flight, that's the obvious, and I would say if they're getting on, I'll wait on the next flight.