Now my favorite: US Airways

PrettyBoy · #1 12-04-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jubilance1922

Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread and get the whole story before you simply pass judgement on people.

I don't pass judgement on people, but I'm not getting on a plane with the same people that support Saddam, and hate my country. You can, but I'm not.

jubilance1922 · #2 12-04-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I don't pass judgement on people, but I'm not getting on a plane with the same people that support Saddam, and hate my country. You can, but I'm not.

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or are you in favor of profiling? When you're pulled over by the police do you say "Officer, its perfectly fine for you to pull me over without probable cause just because I'm Black and other Black people commit crimes."

DeltAlum · #3 12-04-2006, 01:01 PM

Profiling happens and has happened for years -- and not all ethnic based.

I have a friend who has long blonde hair and drives a Mercedes. He is constantly being stopped and searched for drugs because that combination is allegedly a profile for drug dealers.

Or ask a some teenagers who don't dress "normally" whether the cops profile them.

Since I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what happened, but if what has been posted above about these mens behavior beyond the prayers is true, I might have felt pretty uncomfortable about it myself.

I think there is a difference between profiling because of ethnic or religious background and behavior beyond that background.

PrettyBoy · #4 12-05-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jubilance1922

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or are you in favor of profiling? When you're pulled over by the police do you say "Officer, its perfectly fine for you to pull me over without probable cause just because I'm Black and other Black people commit crimes."

If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

kstar · #5 12-06-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

Don't forget that the US helped Saddam come to power.

Not supporting this (unjust) war doesn't neccessarily mean that they supported Saddam. Many Muslims I know abhor Saddam, yet don't support this war. Heck- many Christians, Jews, Hindus, and atheists I know don't support the war and don't support Saddam. Praying to whatever deity you choose also doesn't mean that they hate this country.

PrettyBoy · #6 12-07-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kstar

Don't forget that the US helped Saddam come to power.

Not supporting this (unjust) war doesn't neccessarily mean that they supported Saddam. Many Muslims I know abhor Saddam, yet don't support this war. Heck- many Christians, Jews, Hindus, and atheists I know don't support the war and don't support Saddam. Praying to whatever deity you choose also doesn't mean that they hate this country.

I'm not saying all of them, I'm just saying if I saw a group of Saddam "Insane" worshipers, I wouldn't get on the same plane as them. As far as bringing Saddam to power, you're right and that's what makes this country so weak. This is the richest most powerful country on earth and we choose to give billions of dollars to countries that start a lot of trouble. I would just let them be. If they want to kill each other let them kill each other, then we wouldn't have to worry about them anymore. They have been causing trouble over in that part of the region since the beginning of time.

jubilance1922 · #7 12-06-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

If I saw a group of people praying to Allah and then supporting Saddam "Insane" then I wouldn't need to profile, it's a given that they hate this country, and everything about it. That means they hate me too.

As far as getting pulled over by the cops, I never do, so I wouldn't know what that's like.

That's cute, but you didn't address either of my first two points...so I'll post them again to you

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or is that difficult for you to understand.

And it seems a stretch to say that if someone is pro-Saddam then they are anti-US, considering that we now know that Saddam was not behind 9/11 and considering that Saddam was our best buddy in the 80's.

shinerbock · #8 12-06-2006, 02:07 PM

Osama was pretty cozy with the US back in the day as well. Obviously doesn't mean his supporters are fans of America.

laylo · #9 12-06-2006, 02:19 PM

I would just like to make the general point that "Muslim" and "Arab" should not be used interchangeably, particualrly in terms of Americans. Most Arab Americans are Christian, most Muslim Americans are not Arabs. Carry on.

_Opi_ · #10 12-06-2006, 02:39 PM

whether y'all like it or not, anyone who wants to fly will have a file with their risk assesment. This is a new policy for airports (I've read it on cnn.com about a week ago..I'll try to find an article on this). Apparantly, they will keep a record on you, and you are not allowed to see this "record" and challenge it if it contains any inaccuracies.

http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_210...=1&oref=slogin

So basically, everyone will be profiled.

I find it ridiculous when people make comments like "they hate us and our freedoms" or better yet, "they hate america, and that means they hate me". Pick up a book, learn something, and then make an intelligent argument.

shinerbock · #11 12-06-2006, 03:59 PM

Terrorists aren't fond of America or Americans. I've picked up books, and read them. I suppose this is the time when you start justifying their violence. I'll wait and see how your argument develops.

PrettyBoy · #12 12-07-2006, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_

whether y'all like it or not, anyone who wants to fly will have a file with their risk assesment. This is a new policy for airports (I've read it on cnn.com about a week ago..I'll try to find an article on this). Apparantly, they will keep a record on you, and you are not allowed to see this "record" and challenge it if it contains any inaccuracies.

http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_210...=1&oref=slogin

So basically, everyone will be profiled.

I find it ridiculous when people make comments like "they hate us and our freedoms" or better yet, "they hate america, and that means they hate me". Pick up a book, learn something, and then make an intelligent argument.

I don't have any interest in learning about their culture. This is the United States of America and they should pick up a book and learn some American History.

PrettyBoy · #13 12-07-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jubilance1922

That's cute, but you didn't address either of my first two points...so I'll post them again to you

That's great, but the thing is, you could get on the plane with people who think that all the time and you would never know.

Someone's religion is not an indication of how they feel about Saddam or this country.

Or is that difficult for you to understand.

And it seems a stretch to say that if someone is pro-Saddam then they are anti-US, considering that we now know that Saddam was not behind 9/11 and considering that Saddam was our best buddy in the 80's.

And it's obvious you missed my point, so I'll say it again. I said that if I saw a group of people praying to allah and supporting Saddam, I wouldn't get on the plane. As far as people thinking about it, no, I don't know what's on their mind, but if my eyes can see it, then that's when I can make a choice. I don't think it's a stretch for me to think if someone is pro-saddam that they hate this country. If they like him they don't like this country. That's like saying that not everyone that supports the KKK dislikes black people. I'm not concerned with what happend in the 80's I'm talking about right now. I follow Christ, and if someone wants to follow allah, or some other being that they believe is the creator, then so be it. Also, I never said that someones religion is an indication of how someone feels about this country. The bottom line is you're having a difficult time understanding that I don't agree with you, so lets just agree to disagree.

_Opi_ · #14 12-07-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

people praying to allah

You've said this like 3 times already. If I was in an airplane, you'll see me "praying" to Allah. You probably would be the first to report me. LOL. Maybe not, cus I'd hardly doubt you recognize me as a muslim.

FYI, Allah is the the Arabic word for God. Same God as the Jews and the Christians. It's all about that Abrahamaic lineage love, baby.

jubilance1922 · #15 12-07-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by _Opi_

You've said this like 3 times already. If I was in an airplane, you'll see me "praying" to Allah. You probably would be the first to report me. LOL. Maybe not, cus I'd hardly doubt you recognize me as a muslim.

FYI, Allah is the the Arabic word for God. Same God as the Jews and the Christians. It's all about that Abrahamaic lineage love, baby.

Don't waste your time typing. I get the feeling that he's one of those folks who blocks out any word that isn't "Jesus".