SMU student found dead at SAE House

macallan25 · #1 12-04-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It is amazing how some people feel that their Chapter is above their National/International and how they think and feel.

Bravado may seem the thing to do unless you have worked with them one on one, then you may have no idea of what is going on.

Have many gotten out of the little world, Chapter, or area they are in and worked with Members of other Greek Organizations?

A Greek Organization with out Leadership is a Ship with out a Captain.

If what some say that that IHQ's hold a blind eye to transgressions against policy have a lot to learn.

Oh Jesus....here we go again. Tom, quit with your nonsensical, rambling preacher sessions. You have absolutely no idea what happened. I do. What the hell are you talking about with "transgressions against policy?" The chapter didn't have anything to it.

Instead of force feeding everyone your ideas on your beloved "Nationals/IHQ" and telling us to "get out in the real world"........

Tom Earp · #2 12-04-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Oh Jesus....here we go again. Tom, quit with your nonsensical, bullshit, rambling preacher sessions. You have absolutely no idea what happened. I do. What the hell are you talking about with "transgressions against policy?" The chapter didn't have anything to it.

Instead of force feeding everyone your ideas on your beloved "Nationals/IHQ" and telling us to "get out in the real world"........how about you show some fucking respect.

I would be more than happy to if the same respect is shown to others

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But, I am afraid you have no clue! Get a grip on what Greek Life is instead of your little mind set.

Yes, You are Amazing!

shinerbock · #3 12-04-2006, 08:35 PM

Delt, no its not. Thats not how society works at all. Usually, you do drugs, you get hurt, its your fault. You get arrested, you're liable for the consequences. Theres no need for some pseudo watchdog group overseeing your actions. If nationals wants to kick the kid out, fine, do it. Don't punish the chapter because some people use drugs. How are fraternities supposed to help guys grow into men when HQ's hover over them? If you don't wanna do drugs, don't. If you do, do, and see what happens. If you wanna be hazed, go for it. If you don't, hit the road. Our entire male greek system is gonna be filled with whiny bitches if this keeps up.

jon1856 · #4 12-05-2006, 12:04 AM

I saw this over the weekend, while surfing, and hoped that it would not get picked up.

Speaking for myself, and perhaps Brother Mac', thank you for your kind thought and words.

My thoughts are also with the Chapter and his family and friends.
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw....52ac3362.html

I have a thought for a new thread that I will start when I have a few free monuments. Will be some sort of good news/good deed thread of some sort. Keep an eye open for it.

DeltAlum · #5 12-05-2006, 01:16 AM

Gentlemen,

If you run a liquor store and keep selling to minors -- you lose your license. If you run a bar and sell to minors, you lose your license. If you allow illegal drugs to be used in your home, you could go to jail.

In this case, an underaged young man allegedly used drugs and drank alcohol in the chapter house.

Those are both not only against the rules, they're against the law as well.

Saying that it's done all the time doesn't change either of those facts.

If someone breaks the law and you aid in that, you can be held responsible as well.

If you are responsible (personally or as a chapter), you can either be charged for breaking the law or be sued or lose your charter as a chapter.

Sorry. That is the way society works.

Sister Havana · #6 12-05-2006, 01:51 AM

Here's an article about him from the Naperville Sun (local paper). Very sad.

shinerbock · #7 12-05-2006, 02:13 AM

Delt, yeah, you kick the kid out. You don't shut down the house. Come in and do some sort of drug awareness pc bullcrap or something. I understand HQ's have to mitigate their liability on stuff like this, thats obviously part of the problem as well. My biggest problem with stuff like this, is that isolated incidents create change for everyone else. Granted, I'm not blaming this chapter or this kid at all, this is about a broader issue. Its the same thing with hazing. Plenty of chapters do it for decades without incident, but one chapter screwing up can ruin it for everyone else. Millions of college kids binge drink, but one who doesn't know his limits creates a ridiculous environment for everyone else. I guess I would have preferred greek life before HQ's became so involved, and to be fair to them, before litigation became a core principle of being an American.

macallan25 · #8 12-05-2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Gentlemen,

If you run a liquor store and keep selling to minors -- you lose your license. If you run a bar and sell to minors, you lose your license. If you allow illegal drugs to be used in your home, you could go to jail.

In this case, an underaged young man allegedly used drugs and drank alcohol in the chapter house.

Those are both not only against the rules, they're against the law as well.

Saying that it's done all the time doesn't change either of those facts.

If someone breaks the law and you aid in that, you can be held responsible as well.

If you are responsible (personally or as a chapter), you can either be charged for breaking the law or be sued or lose your charter as a chapter.

Sorry. That is the way society works.

Delt, no one said anything about him doing either of those in the chapter house. Thanks. SAE had an off campus Christmas party Friday night.....so he may have been there for a while......although several of my friends said they saw him elsewhere at bars.

Tom Earp · #9 12-05-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Gentlemen,

If you run a liquor store and keep selling to minors -- you lose your license. If you run a bar and sell to minors, you lose your license. If you allow illegal drugs to be used in your home, you could go to jail.

In this case, an underaged young man allegedly used drugs and drank alcohol in the chapter house.

Those are both not only against the rules, they're against the law as well.

Saying that it's done all the time doesn't change either of those facts.

If someone breaks the law and you aid in that, you can be held responsible as well.

If you are responsible (personally or as a chapter), you can either be charged for breaking the law or be sued or lose your charter as a chapter.

Sorry. That is the way society works.

DeltAlum, how can you be so ignorant when it comes to Greek Life as proposed by so few others?

Don't you know anybetter than to argue with those in the know who know more than others?

For shame.

Oh well, with age comes some maturity.

Kevin · #10 12-05-2006, 04:55 PM

What I see here is one very tragic situation where a kid died. No matter what type of risk management policies you have, you can't watch every member all of the time. You can pretend that none of your members do drugs, but really, you're just fooling yourself. The stuff is out there, it happens, so be it. Just pray no one gets hurt.

My condolences to the SAE family. I don't think any kind of sanctimonious "follow your RM policy!' thing I could say could possibly help the situation. These kids have probably learned a very sobering lesson here.

jon1856 · #11 12-05-2006, 10:37 PM

Nothing truly new in the news on this-seems that medical report will not be out for awhile.
Just this from several media sites:
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/n...ENT_S1.article

http://www.smudailycampus.com/media/...ailycampus.com

http://www.smudailycampus.com/media/...ailycampus.com