The Seinfeld Dude....

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PhrozenGod01

Everyone you mentioned (well besides most crips and bloods I guess) are much better comedians than Michael Richards. I'm more shocked that you would compare him to the Kings of Comedy than by his actual rant. The guy is a hack in the industry and proved it. The Apollo Amateur Night rejects have more class than him. He didn't write his own character in Seinfeld, so he could also be dumber than rocks too.

On a semi-tangent, I was trying to think about what he could do to redeem himself somehow. He's not really, really old or anything. Maybe he should try to get on Comicview or something like that. I know they wouldn't want him on, but millions of people would tune in to see what happens when he takes the stage. If he could handle it, then I'd take back my criticism of his composure only. His character is still looking pretty bad right now.

I fail to see how I compared this luser to the "King's of Comedy"... I think you have read way too much into what I exactly stated, which clearly was, would homeboy say that same chit in front of them...

Is homey a fairly decent stand-up comedian? He maybe an "okay" actor that was funny, back in the day... And he invoked some of his "contacts" to "jumpstart" his career. If he was trying to make that change, cannot have redemption, ever... Unless he did a stand-up comedy routine at Def Comedy Jam with Russell Simmons... Maybe I'd give him props if he survives...

What's the difference between Michael Richards using the "n-word" versus Katt Williams or Mike Epps--who use it all the time? The audience racial make-up? The "level" of understanding? Richards loses his temper due to a heckler and says racial epithets that were not funny... Katt or Mike say almost the same thing, it's funny as hayle...

The use of the epipthet in language fails to desensitize to "soul damage" it inflicts or the conjectured imagery. That is why that one word is so painful and wrong in any public audience.

But you try explaining that to your friends and the kids and as Darryl James says, Stupid Ass Negroes...

[PhrozenGod01]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I fail to see how I compared this luser to the "King's of Comedy"... I think you have read way too much into what I exactly stated, which clearly was, would homeboy say that same chit in front of them...

I should have put more smiley and sarcastic emoticons on my original post. It's just not my style. I actually agree with everything you said. It was just a boring day at work and the reality of the incident hadn't set in with the co-workers who are cool enough to talk about it.

I do wonder if he would say the exact same stuff in the presence of those comedians. He probably would say it in his head as he sits in the audience or something.

[shinerbock]

DSTS, excuses? Pray tell, where did I do that? Oh right, I didn't. I'm saying that because a person makes hateful comments, doesn't mean they're a racist.

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

If anything, it makes him an asshole by default. He may be a racist, I didn't say he wasn't, but simply losing your cool and going for the lowest possible blow against somebody doesn't make you a racist. If you're over the incident already, I applaud that. I just hate to see a verbal racial incident get so much attention when it is so widespread in this country on ALL sides. White people pump up these stories too, probably in an effort to make sure everyone knows they have a black friend or 2 and they could never be racist. I have spite for them as well. I'm equal opportunity.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

DSTS, excuses? Pray tell, where did I do that?

In your post when you went on the "it happens everyday" and "puppies die when black people victimize white people" tangent. But now you're debating the "racist" topic with me. I never called Richards racist and I'm disinterested in discussing "racism" with you and most people on GC.

The rest of my post has nothing to do with your post.
Some white people need to just concede that they don't understand or will never agree and stop bullshitting and patronizing. Just because you (in general) don't understand or don't sympathize doesn't mean a damn thing. Nonwhites don't need our feelings and behaviors validated by whites for them to be valid and legitimate. You don't think it's a big deal? Then it isn't a big deal to YOU so go ahead and go back to minding your own business then. You want people to just get over it? If you want you can either go back to minding your own business or hold your breath until we decide we're over it--and don't applaud us when we're over it (that was for shinerbock).

The biggest lesson learned that I don't need some white people to either sympathize or disagree with:
Black people need to continue to strive for improvement, success and to combat some of the negatives in our community. Not for white people and to make them "like us" or think highly of us. But for ourselves. We don't need white people to validate US because WE have always been a prideful people. So we need to continue to challenge ourselves and each other to never settle for less than the best. Things like the Richards incident aren't surprising and they won't stop on a societal level. Therefore, we can empower ourselves by first ceasing to act surprised and refusing to give this stuff our undivided attention. Abundantly blessed.

[shinerbock]

DSTS, I'll be happy to go back to my business when people stop bringing us into their business (not talking about you, necc). But its not like black people are simply saying "alright, lets face this issue among ourselves." Anytime a racial issue comes up, like an incident such as this, it gets thrown in America's face by black leaders and in no small part, by the media. So while you may not be doing it, plenty of other people in the black community are doing it.

So basically, I really don't care what Richards did. He doesn't really represent anyone or influence anyone, hopefully. While this would normally mean I'd drop it, I unfortunately don't have the ability to do that when I look at threads and see people saying things like "this just shows how much racism still exists..." Thats right, it does, but it seems we're only interested in talking/complaining about it (on this site at least) when its white on black.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

it gets thrown in America's face by black leaders and in no small part, by the media.

This doesn't mean they really want your opinions or validation.

BTW, when will people stop using "black leaders?" I'm still waiting for a roster of the "white leaders."

[ladygreek]

Did anyone see his interview on David Letterman the other night? If so, your thoughts?

[KAPPAtivating]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

DSTS, I'll be happy to go back to my business when people stop bringing us into their business (not talking about you, necc). But its not like black people are simply saying "alright, lets face this issue among ourselves." Anytime a racial issue comes up, like an incident such as this, it gets thrown in America's face by black leaders and in no small part, by the media. So while you may not be doing it, plenty of other people in the black community are doing it.

So basically, I really don't care what Richards did. He doesn't really represent anyone or influence anyone, hopefully. While this would normally mean I'd drop it, I unfortunately don't have the ability to do that when I look at threads and see people saying things like "this just shows how much racism still exists..." Thats right, it does, but it seems we're only interested in talking/complaining about it (on this site at least) when its white on black.

I really don't have a dog in this fight, but in regards to ^^^I reall feel like you are one post away from saying, "your people, or you all". I feel like Richards career is washed up. Hell, it was washed up before this. He is just some type-cast actor who tried to make some money on the side. If as a comedian, you cannot handle hecklers, then you are indeed not a comedian. Just like if I could not take an occasional heckle from a student, I would be a bad educator. That does not give me the right to personal degrade anyone regardless of what I think of them in my head. I believe the man is a racist...don't even apologize in my opinion because you are not sorry for the thought, but for the repercussion of the thought.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating

I really don't have a dog in this fight, but in regards to ^^^I reall feel like you are one post away from saying, "your people, or you all". I feel like Richards career is washed up. Hell, it was washed up before this. He is just some type-cast actor who tried to make some money on the side. If as a comedian, you cannot handle hecklers, then you are indeed not a comedian. Just like if I could not take an occasional heckle from a student, I would be a bad educator. That does not give me the right to personal degrade anyone regardless of what I think of them in my head. I believe the man is a racist...don't even apologize in my opinion because you are not sorry for the thought, but for the repercussion of the thought.

It reads like you do.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating

That does not give me the right to personal degrade anyone regardless of what I think of them in my head. I believe the man is a racist...don't even apologize in my opinion because you are not sorry for the thought, but for the repercussion of the thought.

THIS is the crux of the matter.