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11-10-2006, 12:37 PM
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Technically speaking it's a different chapter.
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No, it would still be the XYZ chapter of SAE. Unless SAE works differently then 98% of GLOs.
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11-10-2006, 12:41 PM
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No, it would still be the XYZ chapter of SAE. Unless SAE works differently then 98% of GLOs.
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No, I get that. Unless they do the "Deuteron" thing or some such. I'm just saying that the chapter itself is different. These guys didn't get in trouble and get a fine.
I'd just hope that they wouldn't get stuck in a position of such a large debt because it would likely mean higher dues and fewer social activies etc. It just seems counter-productive to recolonizing a chapter...
/this is all only IMHO
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11-10-2006, 01:59 PM
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My guess is that Drolefille is correct, if SAE ever wants to recolonize at Case.
A $15,000 fine right off the top of recolonizing efforts, along with whatever the university requires, could be an insurmountable obstacle for a new group -- unless there are a lot of rich alums.
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11-10-2006, 03:15 PM
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Just out of curiousity say like a few SAE's were having a kegger on their own time off campus. Some SAE's showed up some GDI's you know like your typical college gathering. It was never labeled an SAE party, could that hurt the chapter? Sorry if I sound stupid.
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11-10-2006, 03:21 PM
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Based on my sorority's risk management rules (which may or may not be similar to SAE's) if you talk about it in chapter, send it through the email listserve or advertise it in any way as an SAE event (think Facebook), then it is and the chapter is responsible.
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11-10-2006, 03:35 PM
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Just out of curiousity say like a few SAE's were having a kegger on their own time off campus. Some SAE's showed up some GDI's you know like your typical college gathering. It was never labeled an SAE party, could that hurt the chapter? Sorry if I sound stupid.
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It doesn't sound stupid.
The rules vary from organization to organization. Some allegedly are so strict that if there are more than, say three, members present, it's considered a chapter event. That's pretty stringent.
If it was organized by members, it will often be considered a chapter event.
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11-10-2006, 04:21 PM
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I can't see how it would be a big deal to have a keg, say, at your house off campus with some fraternity brothers and other people.
I didn't know that kegs were forbidden by SAE HQ at parties........I just thought it was a university wide rule for fraternities. There are tons of campuses that forbid kegs.
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11-10-2006, 05:21 PM
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Depending on the Nationals bylaws, any party where several members are in attendence, it is considered a group party.
6 years is a very long time, but, the SAE National must have felt it was worth the effort to sanction them for this long. It is usually for 4 years when all of the current chapter graduates.
If Case Reserve is that important to SAE future plans, I am sure the fine would be overturned as shouldering a new colony there would be insurmountable. 
There may have been much more than meets the eye.
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11-10-2006, 05:23 PM
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I don't think Nationals would care if I had a keg at my house. Thats just stupid. I can't say I know of many people that think "hmmmm I wonder what my national bylaws say about entertaining guests at my own home?"
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11-10-2006, 06:43 PM
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Yeah I was just wondering if it is not like an fraternity/sorority sponsored event and there are just members there and members happen to be holding it if the entire chapter would suffer if something bad were to happen. Like say even if it wasn't beign advertised as a Greek event. I think it's a little extreme to say that just because some people have letters that it's associated with the chapter you know.
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11-10-2006, 06:46 PM
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Yeah I was just wondering if it is not like an SAE sponsored event and there are just SAE's there and SAE's happen to be holding it if the entire chapter would suffer if something bad were to happen.
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Ask someone in your fraternity who knows the procedures. An Advisor for example, or shoot an email to a national officer. They'd probably be able to give you specifics that even other SAE's on here can probably only speculate at.
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11-10-2006, 06:48 PM
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Yeah I was just wondering if it is not like an SAE sponsored event and there are just SAE's there and SAE's happen to be holding it if the entire chapter would suffer if something bad were to happen.
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Could it? Yup. Should it? Depends. How badly? Up to the jury.
It's like I used to tell people at my old job. Someone can sue you (the chapter) for whatever they like. How far they can get with the suit is up to the judge and the attorneys.
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11-10-2006, 07:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FL-E1973
Just out of curiousity say like a few SAE's were having a kegger on their own time off campus. Some SAE's showed up some GDI's you know like your typical college gathering. It was never labeled an SAE party, could that hurt the chapter? Sorry if I sound stupid.
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Brother,
There is no short way to answer that question. As someone else already posted, if you really want the best answer, contact RM Director at National.
From both my own experiences and from reading the news, if any member (s) of any social/sport/GLO/living group have a "situation/problem" off of campus, the name of the group will end up in the press.
FYI: Among those experiences were a riot and a murder.
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