Saddam Hussein sentenced to death

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by centaur532

I hate the death penalty but should anyone be allowed to live after taking the life of another? Don't you sacrifice your right to life when you take away another's voluntarily? You've deprived that person of a future. Why should you be allowed yours?

Let's bring this back home. If I recall correctly, the American government especially our "leader of the free world", has taken lives, innocent lives, deprived people of their future for the sake of their "freedom". What should their punishment be?

I just saw a video of the first innocent victims of operation free iraq, or whatever the name to this operation was. No intended targets hit. All civilians.

Kind of puts things in perspective, don't it?

As an aside, I don't support death penalty. That stance is not going to change anytime soon.

[macallan25]

I think for you to compare this war, or any war for that matter......to the execution of serial killers and murderers through the legal system is rather idiotic.........its a war......innocent people are going to die. Please name me a campaign in which innocent people/civilians didn't get killed.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I think for you to compare this war, or any war for that matter......to the execution of serial killers and murderers through the legal system is rather idiotic.........its a war......innocent people are going to die.

I thought the topic hear was about the death penalty of Saddam. He is part of the legal system now..unless I'm mistaken??

Here's my take:

Collateral damage = death of innocent people
Tyrranical murders= death of innocent people
War=death of innocent people
Lying about reasons for going to war=death of innocent people

Sorry I didnt say anything you want to hear, Macallan. Maybe some other time, eh.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

I thought the topic hear was about the death penalty of Saddam. He is part of the legal system now..unless I'm mistaken??

Here's my take:

Collateral damage = death of innocent people
Tyrranical murders= death of innocent people
War=death of innocent people
Lying about reasons for going to war=death of innocent people

Sorry I didnt say anything you want to hear, Macallan. Maybe some other time, eh.

This is actually exactly what I was going to say.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

Let's bring this back home. If I recall correctly, the American government especially our "leader of the free world", has taken lives, innocent lives, deprived people of their future for the sake of their "freedom". What should their punishment be?

I just saw a video of the first innocent victims of operation free iraq, or whatever the name to this operation was. No intended targets hit. All civilians.

Kind of puts things in perspective, don't it?

As an aside, I don't support death penalty. That stance is not going to change anytime soon.

I don't disagree. When we first started talking about war, I was naive enough to believe Bush. However, as time as progressed, we've all seen him and this war for what it really is.
Iraq is a giant mess, there's no denying it. And I am ashamed for the behaviour of US soldiers. Not all, but some. But talking to Jeff reminded me of how I act on my job, the things we say and do which the general public would be so shocked about. And it's all coping mechanisms or destressing. (I'm an EMT, by the way.)
Is killing innocent civilians a coping mechanism or destressor? Hell no. But no 20 year old should see his buddies fall down beside him in combat either. None of this kids (let's face it, they are) should be there, especially those are who are dying for a country that has not granted them citizenship yet.

I do think serial killers and murderers and Saddam are of a different variety than war casualties. This by no way demeans innocent lives lost in the war. I certainly do not approve of the way some soldiers have acted. But I think that the losses in Iraq should be judged on a different level than individuals.

[shinerbock]

Holy crap. You people are ridiculous. YOUR PARTY VOTED FOR THE WAR. If you buy the "well, our democratic leaders were misled by Bush," then you're an idiot. People in this country just have no stomach for war anymore. Its ironic, considering that people are yelling about Darfur, but as soon as we do something and people get hurt, we're gonna demand a pullout.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Holy crap. You people are ridiculous. YOUR PARTY VOTED FOR THE WAR. If you buy the "well, our democratic leaders were misled by Bush," then you're an idiot. People in this country just have no stomach for war anymore. Its ironic, considering that people are yelling about Darfur, but as soon as we do something and people get hurt, we're gonna demand a pullout.

My party did NOT vote for the war. I didn't vote for any party.

Bush lied to Democrats AND Republicans.

People in this country don't have stomach for war? In your lifetime, has war being waged in this country? I'm talking about REAL war..not terrorist attacks. Let's see what kind of stomach you have then. As long as this country is the aggressor, we can be cozy in our little world and talk about it on GC Oh, you if you have such high tolerance to war, how come you're not serving?

I think it's ironic that Darfur is getting attention NOW.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

My party did NOT vote for the war. I didn't vote for any party.

Bush lied to Democrats AND Republicans.

People in this country don't have stomach for war? In your lifetime, has war being waged in this country? I'm talking about REAL war..not terrorist attacks. Let's see what kind of stomach you have then. As long as this country is the aggressor, we can be cozy in our little world and talk about it on GC Oh, you if you have such high tolerance to war, how come you're not serving?

I think it's ironic that Darfur is getting attention NOW.

So you wouldn't consider the terrorist attacks an act of war? Please define "REAL" war.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by macallan25

So you wouldn't consider the terrorist attacks an act of war? Please define "REAL" war.

War- an act of a government
Terrorism- an act of a movement

[shinerbock]

What did Bush lie about?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by centaur532

I don't disagree. When we first started talking about war, I was naive enough to believe Bush. However, as time as progressed, we've all seen him and this war for what it really is.
Iraq is a giant mess, there's no denying it. And I am ashamed for the behaviour of US soldiers. Not all, but some. But talking to Jeff reminded me of how I act on my job, the things we say and do which the general public would be so shocked about. And it's all coping mechanisms or destressing. (I'm an EMT, by the way.)
Is killing innocent civilians a coping mechanism or destressor? Hell no. But no 20 year old should see his buddies fall down beside him in combat either. None of this kids (let's face it, they are) should be there, especially those are who are dying for a country that has not granted them citizenship yet.

What?

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by centaur532

I do think serial killers and murderers and Saddam are of a different variety than war casualties. .

Of course, I agree that they are criminals and should not be compared to war casualties.

But if you're going to put a president through the legal system for his crimes, you can't be biased....there are other presidents/dictators who commit crimes where innocent people die as well.