Michigan's Prop 2 to ban affirmative action

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

The same people got it passed here a few years ago. I think it only affected higher ed admission but I can't really remember. I do know that this fall the news was going on about how minority admission has gone up since it passed.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

The same people got it passed here a few years ago. I think it only affected higher ed admission but I can't really remember. I do know that this fall the news was going on about how minority admission has gone up since it passed.

Are you referring to Washington?

I read something a while back about how underrepresented minority enrollment at UC institutions has fallen dramatically.

[AKA_Monet]

Minority admissions is horrendous at the University of Washington. Out of ~153 medical student admissions 2 are AfAm., 3 Hispanic and zero Native Americans--which is really piss poor for the state of Washington. I know that for a fact because I work here. More than 47% are of Asian decent with 3% Asian faculty--that is insane given the HUGE Asian population is Seattle alone.

Within 5-10 years without Affirmative Action, California, Texas and Washington have had the largest increases in health disparities in all people of color: increased health deaths usually caused by myocardial infarction, ischemic cerebrovascular disease and type 2 diabetic complications. Asian women are the most at risk for having stage 3 breast cancer compared to other women. African American women die due to stage 3 breast cancer and metastasis. And Native American, as well as Hawaiian Pacific Islander women have be systematically avoided in these stats.

Apparently, people of color who become medical doctors go back to their communities and perform acts of service within their communities.

Most African Americans at University of Washington are there because of atheletic scholarship. Certain Asian Americans, (Pacific Islanders are strongly hurt without support), either pool their money to send their children or have enough money to send. Latinos are coming from other states/countries. And now some Eastern European students are beginning to feel the pinch.

We should have had a weaning period than cold turkey... Folks are literally dying out there...

And you all the think I am full of isht if you want. I really don't care. I know what I do for a living.

[RU OX Alum]

while i'm not sure that massive gov't programs are the answer to everything, i think that once they've been established, to take them away so abruptly is just foolish

[PM_Mama00]

I don't think affirmative action within the school system should go cold turkey, but I just don't think it's fair for someone who really deserves to get into a school not get in because a minority took their place. I still think the little box that says "Check ethnicity" or whatever should be taken off and admission be strictly on test scores, activities, and GPA.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't think affirmative action within the school system should go cold turkey, but I just don't think it's fair for someone who really deserves to get into a school not get in because a minority took their place. I still think the little box that says "Check ethnicity" or whatever should be taken off and admission be strictly on test scores, activities, and GPA.

Do you think that a minority student deserved to get into college less than you did?

[macallan25]

If the minority student is less qualified than me....then no......I absolutely don't think he or she deserves it.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Do you think that a minority student deserved to get into college less than you did?

If they couldn't pass up a white student without checking the ethnicity/race box, then no I"m sorry they don't. Same goes for rich white kids who are getting in on daddy's recommendation and money. If you don't have the grades and everything else to get into the institution, then you don't deserve it more than the white/whatever student who has worked their ass off all their life. Disclaimer: I am NOT saying that there are minority students who don't work their asses off. THEY are the deserving ones. I'm glad to be part of the group that says I got into my 1st choice school on my merits rather than getting those extra admissions points for being a minority or for how much money my family has.

I wish I could find Michigan's admissions points sheet. They posted somewhere before but I can't remember where. Just for being a minority, you get BIG points.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't think affirmative action within the school system should go cold turkey, but I just don't think it's fair for someone who really deserves to get into a school not get in because a minority took their place. I still think the little box that says "Check ethnicity" or whatever should be taken off and admission be strictly on test scores, activities, and GPA.

In Canada, some programs ask you if you consider yourself an ethnic minority or if you are native, but you are never asked what race you are. Do you think it's better to be ambiguous like this?

[macallan25]

I don't think there should be any ambiguity.......there shouldn't be anything like it period. Qualifications and performance should be the deciding factors.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't think affirmative action within the school system should go cold turkey, but I just don't think it's fair for someone who really deserves to get into a school not get in because a minority took their place. I still think the little box that says "Check ethnicity" or whatever should be taken off and admission be strictly on test scores, activities, and GPA.

I wish it were that simple as someone taking someone else's place.

I think DSTChaos has discussed this in enough detail that it is not that simple. However, either you refuse to understand a Sociologist, Ph.D. or you hate examining the full-spectrum of the truth(s).

There are numerous factors that go into admissions. Some schools have "cut-off points" where they can take the "cream of the crop". Namely places like Harvard can afford to do something like that... If you "fit" into one of "their" categories, they will admit you over another student.

Do you KNOW how State Colleges and Universities are funded or endowed?

I can tell you many State Colleges and Universities are poorly-funded, losing endownments and the US governments is pulling funds everyday from them.

Your pissante school tuition barely pays for the lightbulb in the chittiest desk lamp.

Where does the money all go? Good question! And I can tell you it is NOT to the BCS...

State Colleges and Universities do NOT have money to place over 100,000 kids in undergraduate college... There are not enough professors. There are not enough instructors, there are not enough administrators.

Kicking students out is not changing the number of kids who want college degrees.

The only thing that is looking like it works is Computer-based learning. But it only works with serious students who are alternative 25 year olds+...

Hayle for every class I have taught, I'd rather make it an internet course anyway...

Most Universities sell-out. Period. If Bill Gates/Paul Allen decided to buy UW and make it his Microsoft biatch today--UW would do it...

Google can buy Stanford... Emory is bought and paid for by Coca-Cola...

Hayle, Citgo may buy University of Miami just to see if they can do it...

That is what your college education is about now...