Michigan's Prop 2 to ban affirmative action

[KSigkid]

Regardless of people's feelings on this, I get a bit bothered with the "if you weren't here, you don't understand" argument. Just because people lived through a certain time period doesn't mean they have a greater understanding of a topic than someone born more recently. It sounds more like a cop-out to limit debate. Just a pet peeve of mine.

I hadn't heard anything about this, although I haven't had as much time to check the news lately. Is it definite that it will be on the ballot, even with the legal challenges? It will certainly be something to watch for on election day.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Regardless of people's feelings on this, I get a bit bothered with the "if you weren't here, you don't understand" argument. Just because people lived through a certain time period doesn't mean they have a greater understanding of a topic than someone born more recently. It sounds more like a cop-out to limit debate. Just a pet peeve of mine.

Your opinion is noted, however sometimes experience really is the best teacher. Some things simply don't translate to the printed page.

Not always.

[RU OX Alum]

yeah, I kind of feel that way about something that happened in my life toward the end of the cold war...I can't really describe how I felt watching the Berlin wall being torn down, or when Gorbachev was arrested, I mean, I'm not saying that no one in the future could have a valid opinion, or even a more accurate, well-informed opinion than I could...but we watched it everyday in class, on the news, as it happened. I thought that there was going to be a coup here, I didn't feel threatened the same way this last time with Thailand.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

The same people got it passed here a few years ago. I think it only affected higher ed admission but I can't really remember. I do know that this fall the news was going on about how minority admission has gone up since it passed.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

The same people got it passed here a few years ago. I think it only affected higher ed admission but I can't really remember. I do know that this fall the news was going on about how minority admission has gone up since it passed.

Are you referring to Washington?

I read something a while back about how underrepresented minority enrollment at UC institutions has fallen dramatically.

[AKA_Monet]

Minority admissions is horrendous at the University of Washington. Out of ~153 medical student admissions 2 are AfAm., 3 Hispanic and zero Native Americans--which is really piss poor for the state of Washington. I know that for a fact because I work here. More than 47% are of Asian decent with 3% Asian faculty--that is insane given the HUGE Asian population is Seattle alone.

Within 5-10 years without Affirmative Action, California, Texas and Washington have had the largest increases in health disparities in all people of color: increased health deaths usually caused by myocardial infarction, ischemic cerebrovascular disease and type 2 diabetic complications. Asian women are the most at risk for having stage 3 breast cancer compared to other women. African American women die due to stage 3 breast cancer and metastasis. And Native American, as well as Hawaiian Pacific Islander women have be systematically avoided in these stats.

Apparently, people of color who become medical doctors go back to their communities and perform acts of service within their communities.

Most African Americans at University of Washington are there because of atheletic scholarship. Certain Asian Americans, (Pacific Islanders are strongly hurt without support), either pool their money to send their children or have enough money to send. Latinos are coming from other states/countries. And now some Eastern European students are beginning to feel the pinch.

We should have had a weaning period than cold turkey... Folks are literally dying out there...

And you all the think I am full of isht if you want. I really don't care. I know what I do for a living.

[RU OX Alum]

while i'm not sure that massive gov't programs are the answer to everything, i think that once they've been established, to take them away so abruptly is just foolish