Senator Barak Obama may run for president

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Right, we're racist. If white people said it, it would still sound stupid. Obviously, you're so blinded by skin color allegiance that you automatically deem people racist simply for terming a stupid statement as stupid. Here, add this to it, most rap songs= stupid...I know, racist.
If she wanted to reflect the fact that he was a father, how about "Your new senator, a great husband and father, Barack Obama!" I don't think this is a race thing, its a stereotype thing. Its something that is generally said by black mothers about the father of their child (who isn't her husband), and those women often aren't what black people want to portray on a national stage. There were a couple of black friends of mine there while we watched it happen, and they both cringed. If my white senator got up and said something like "well yall, shucks, its mighty fine to be representin yall up there in big ole Washington D.C." I'd cringe. Maybe literacy isn't your greatest skill, but you might wanna go back and read what I've said about Obama the last couple of pages. Oh wait, I probably only mention the good things because he's part white right? On a side note, you're a moron.

You can call me whatever names you want. Doesn't surprise me. I am going off of your history here in GC. I could care less about your rant. You haven't told me anything i don't already know. I cringed too when I heard her say that. All you did was repeat what I said. LOL.

I think you're the one with the literacy problem, bucko, since you totally failed to comprehend my post. That's a shame, especially since you're so prejudiced, which is what I said, against everyone else.

Oh and by the way, I won't stoop to your level and call you a name, but I will say that you obviously have your typical blinders on when it comes to what mothers say what. I hear many more white mothers calling their kids fathers their "baby's daddy's" nowadays than black. Furthermore, I can make a statement based on my personal opinion without being "blinded by color allegience". That was hilarious, especially coming from someone like you. You don't know me or anything about me so don't try to tell me about what you perceive to be a color allegience. IF we HAD been talking about a white senator making such a statement, I would be willing to bet money that you would have been on the defending side rather than calling him stupid. It;s always easier to say you would say something in the hypothetical when you are making a sad (and losing) attempt to remove yourself from the category of prejudiced. You are what you are and you make WHO and WHAT you are clear everytime you click the submit button. Don't get mad at me for calling a spade a spade.

You make no sense whatsoever. I think most rap songs are stupid too, so how does that fit into your "color allegience" theory? You need to go sit in a corner and think about the things you say before you get yourself into even more of a theoretical and ideological blunder.

Bottom line is Mrs. Obama could have said what she said million different ways. She chose to say it the way that she did. YOUR perception of what she said is what is called into issue here. YOUR perception that is is stupid is very telling and there is no argument against that. You are not the first person to think the way that you do and since I have seen, heard and dealt with many people like yourself, I can recognize prejudicial personalities and statements pretty clearly. I am not in any way deficient or a "moron" simply because I make a note of the fact that someone, in the same way that many white americans do and have always done, takes a phenomenon associated with black americans and automatically cast a negative point of view with it, divorcing the act within the phenomenon from the causes or social implications of it or the variations of points of view on the act within the black community itself. You simply place your prejudicial notions on it and dismiss it. That is not right and if you don't like people opining on your prejudice, you can either change or ignore the opinions. I am sure you would rather ignore the opinions than change and that's fine with me.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. I don't care anymore about you or what you think on the matter.

[shinerbock]

Saying "I know people who say things like you, and they're racist" is not a valid argument. The simple fact is that you don't agree with what I have to say, and choose to play the race card. Its sad to see, but its common. If more white women say "my baby's daddy" than black women, so be it, its still stupid. I would change my ways, as you so brilliantly mentioned, but I'm generally a fan of truth, so I'm not likely to favor fiction over reality. I imagine you don't care to hear more about my views or this topic, considering that you've already pulled out the "you're prejudiced" card, which is generally the last attack of people without a legitimate argument. If you come up with anything else, however, let me know and I'll be glad to discuss it if your rationality returns*.

*Based on the assumption it existed to begin with.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Saying "I know people who say things like you, and they're racist" is not a valid argument. The simple fact is that you don't agree with what I have to say, and choose to play the race card. Its sad to see, but its common. If more white women say "my baby's daddy" than black women, so be it, its still stupid. I would change my ways, as you so brilliantly mentioned, but I'm generally a fan of truth, so I'm not likely to favor fiction over reality. I imagine you don't care to hear more about my views or this topic, considering that you've already pulled out the "you're prejudiced" card, which is generally the last attack of people without a legitimate argument. If you come up with anything else, however, let me know and I'll be glad to discuss it if your rationality returns*.

*Based on the assumption it existed to begin with.

I stopped reading after your first sentence. I never said racist, once again. I'm not waisting my time with someone who insists on misrepresenting what I've said. You either are dumb or you just like arguing with people who do call others racist...whether the categorization is valid or not. In either case, it's not my concern as I haven't even deemed you a racist. I'll leave you to your argument with the arbitrary entity that you want to fight this out with because you refuse to address what I HAVE said.

[shinerbock]

That I'm prejudiced? Against whom? Pray tell, you may be right.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

I stopped reading after your first sentence. I never said racist, once again. I'm not waisting my time with someone who insists on misrepresenting what I've said. You either are dumb or you just like arguing with people who do call others racist...whether the categorization is valid or not. In either case, it's not my concern as I haven't even deemed you a racist. I'll leave you to your argument with the arbitrary entity that you want to fight this out with because you refuse to address what I HAVE said.

If you're still responding you're still here reading.

For the record, 'my baby's daddy' sounds stupid no matter who says it.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by centaur532

For the record, 'my baby's daddy' sounds stupid no matter who says it.

But CNN used it, so it must be okay!

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

But CNN used it, so it must be okay!

Haha, right next to a University of Phoenix ad.

[shinerbock]

I think you can get a J.D. from UPhoenix now

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Sistermadly

She's entitled to do that. She's his wife, and he is the father of her children. However, calling him "America's Baby Daddy" has a whole other meaning, one that is meant to cast aspersions on his character.

Can you not see why that would open him up to jokes? I can. Shinerbock was making a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

.....but in true Greekchat fashion....someone had to go on a rant and rave about being racist/prejudiced.


......and Phasad1913...the phrase is stupid.......and you're an idiot.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Can you not see why that would open him up to jokes? I can. Shinerbock was making a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

.....but in true Greekchat fashion....someone had to go on a rant and rave about being racist/prejudiced.


......and Phasad1913...the phrase is stupid.......and you're an idiot.

Don't bother. We're white and that means racism. Damn whiteys...honestly, the man is in politics, on fire in the political arena in fact, and what his wife said is just classless. Completely.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Here, add this to it, most rap songs= stupid...I know, racist.

Shockingly I whole-heartedly agree with the above... but I also feel that way about Country & Western and Dance music...

If she wanted to reflect the fact that he was a father, how about "Your new senator, a great husband and father, Barack Obama!" I don't think this is a race thing, its a stereotype thing. Its something that is generally said by black mothers about the father of their child (who isn't her husband), and those women often aren't what black people want to portray on a national stage. There were a couple of black friends of mine there while we watched it happen, and they both cringed. If my white senator got up and said something like "well yall, shucks, its mighty fine to be representin yall up there in big ole Washington D.C." I'd cringe. Maybe literacy isn't your greatest skill, but you might wanna go back and read what I've said about Obama the last couple of pages. Oh wait, I probably only mention the good things because he's part white right? On a side note, you're a moron.

Sorry but your both coming across as morons - reading more into a simple statement because of your (both of you) fixation on "race" as a somehow all-defining characteristic. It's actually quite sad to see both of you twisting an innocent statement around until it fits into your racially defined worlds...

Get over it - just let it go - Damn, so much talk over an innocent statement... a statement that I thought was pretty common coming from the mother of a baby/young kid - you know on that overly-cute, lovey-dovey sorta way, that "new" parents have (or at least until the kid hits 10 or so).

Why not get back to actually debating his qualifications and how they relate to any presidential asspirations he might have?

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Can you not see why that would open him up to jokes? I can. Shinerbock was making a joke, nothing more, nothing less.

Well golly gee - it was only a joke, so I don't see what the fussin' and a fuedin' is about

The fact that it was a joke, based on negative racial stereotypes was, is sadly indicative of either a) the teller's racial insenitivity; b) the teller's prejudices or beliefs; or c) the teller's general stupidity in relating a joke in such poor taste, in a politically charged and "racially" sensative venue... personally I lean towards all three.

.....but in true Greekchat fashion....someone had to go on a rant and rave about being racist/prejudiced.

Well maybe because the a**holes that tell race/culture/ethnic jokes are usually displaying the tip of the old 'prejudice iceberg'... usually followed up by the defense when called on it "but I have ____ friends".

But then again I'm not really shocked that you don't get that at the very least the "joke" was in extremely poor taste - nor the fact that he (and by extension you) has so strongly defended it, instead of backing off and saying "oops, my bad - I only ment it as a joke".

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Why not get back to actually debating his qualifications and how they relate to any presidential asspirations he might have?

I think this conversation is a great illustration of how qualifications to perform the job of President generally come secondary to other concerns - and it's kind of a shitshow, just like this thread.

[shinerbock]

RA, I'd read your comments, but I'm trying to avoid having a seizure.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Well golly gee - it was only a joke, so I don't see what the fussin' and a fuedin' is about

The fact that it was a joke, based on negative racial stereotypes was, is sadly indicative of either a) the teller's racial insenitivity; b) the teller's prejudices or beliefs; or c) the teller's general stupidity in relating a joke in such poor taste, in a politically charged and "racially" sensative venue... personally I lean towards all three.



Well maybe because the a**holes that tell race/culture/ethnic jokes are usually displaying the tip of the old 'prejudice iceberg'... usually followed up by the defense when called on it "but I have ____ friends".

But then again I'm not really shocked that you don't get that at the very least the "joke" was in extremely poor taste - nor the fact that he (and by extension you) has so strongly defended it, instead of backing off and saying "oops, my bad - I only ment it as a joke".

I never said it was or wasn't in poor taste...I can see why some would take offense though....the fact is......I really don't care. Generally I think it is humorous when someone says "My baby daddy".....no matter what their race is. Generally it makes me think of poor white trash or a single ghetto fab. black mother of 8.

......and I believe Shiner did come back and say it was only a joke. It was also in "extremely poor taste" for Mrs. Obama to stand on a podium and introduce her husband in that way.