Theta Chi at Duke Going Local

[tallgreekalum]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Has this happened? Where a national chapter at an SEC or Big Twelve school went local? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I don't recall hearing of it. Nor of any prominent Southern "old line" gentleman (young or old) leaving a national to become a member of the Yada-Yada Brotherhood.

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.
Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

Also, regarding our (ADPhi) new affiliate at Duke, I know that they felt that they wanted what a national organization had to offer, just not what their old national was offering. We have resisted the dry house and pledge program purging trends, and are doing quite well.

[Tom Earp]

So, I just wonder how many Brothers/Sisters they would have to come back to in later Years?

WOW, how many would they know over the years and all over the world?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.
Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

This is a good point. A lot of locals probably proactively go that way once they catch on that national is going to pull the charter.

[Sailboat Sis]

What in the world is the "MySpace fiasco?"

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Sailboat Sis

What in the world is the "MySpace fiasco?"

Ole Miss Kappa Sigma Charter Revoked (Appeal Possible)

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.

Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

As I recall, of the ones you have listed, only Phi Delta Theta's chapter at Sewanee decided to disaffiliate and become a local. The "Phi Society" or something like that.

Vanderbilt's Sigma Nu and Phi Delta Theta are in the process of re-colonizing. Virginia's Phi Delta Theta chapter was re-colonized a few years back. As for Kappa Sigma at Ole Miss, I believe they are still on suspension. But frankly, I venture to guess that given Kappa Sigma's tradition at Ole Miss, they too will be back. Not sure if they will "need to" re-colonize or not. But if so, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen sooner than later.

[tallgreekalum]

Originally Posted by TSteven

As I recall, of the ones you have listed, only Phi Delta Theta's chapter at Sewanee decided to disaffiliate and become a local. The "Phi Society" or something like that.

Vanderbilt's Sigma Nu and Phi Delta Theta are in the process of re-colonizing. Virginia's Phi Delta Theta chapter was re-colonized a few years back. As for Kappa Sigma at Ole Miss, I believe they are still on suspension. But frankly, I venture to guess that given Kappa Sigma's tradition at Ole Miss, they too will be back. Not sure if they will "need to" re-colonize or not. But if so, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen sooner than later.

You are correct, but in all these cases, the original group remains as a local fraternity. Depending on the attitudes of alumni, some have continued to support the old chapter, some have supported the new group.
The Old Phi Delt at Virginia is also called "Phi Society" and the Sigma Nu Chapter is called "Sigma Society".

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

You are correct, but in all these cases, the original group remains as a local fraternity. Depending on the attitudes of alumni, some have continued to support the old chapter, some have supported the new group.

The Old Phi Delt at Virginia is also called "Phi Society" and the Sigma Nu Chapter is called "Sigma Society".

After posting yesterday, I realized that just because the inter/national is re-colonizing, it does not mean that a local group may also exist. So this morning, I checked both Sewanee's and Virginia's Greek Life websites and yep, both The Phi Society of 1883 (at Sewanee) and Phi Society (at Virginia) are recognized by the university (IFC). I also checked Vanderbilt's and came across this. (Note: I didn't find any reference to "Sigma Society" at any of the colleges.)

"This is a complete list [all are NIC, NPHC and FLA member fraternities] of all of the recognized fraternities at Vanderbilt University. As you meet students on campus and make your decision about joining a Greek organization, it is important that you consider membership only in the groups listed above. Both Sigma Nu and Phi Delta Theta will be recolonizing on our campus this year. It is important to understand that only representatives from those national organizations will be extending invitations for membership in the new group."

While no "locals" were listed on the Vanderbilt site, it does seem to imply that there *might* be unrecognized or underground "local" groups.

Now without university or Greek Life (IFC) support or recognition, and even with alumni support, how do these disaffiliated groups survive? Or perhaps another way to ask this might be "how well" do they survive? Especially when an "official" and recognized chapter of the fraternity (that the group disaffiliated from) is on campus? As an example, from the article posted at the start of the thread: "...unrecognized groups also cannot hold official events with recognized greek organizations." I don't think that helps with rush.

[SoCalGirl]

I don't think that "...unrecognized groups also cannot hold official events with recognized greek organizations" really prevents that much. When I was in school the Delta Sig chapter was not recognized by the campus. They still managed to post fliers, have good size pledge classes, and have exchanges with the sororities. They got back recognition during by senior year, I think, and everything continued as normal.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I don't think that "...unrecognized groups also cannot hold official events with recognized greek organizations" really prevents that much. When I was in school the Delta Sig chapter was not recognized by the campus. They still managed to post fliers, have good size pledge classes, and have exchanges with the sororities. They got back recognition during by senior year, I think, and everything continued as normal.

I appreciate your reply. In your scenario, it sounds like an IFC/NIC chapter was on some sort of *campus* probation or suspension. They were able to pledge and have exchanges with sororities and they even "got back recognition" later. However, the issue is a disaffiliated group that is not recognized by the campus and is not affiliated with any IFC/NIC fraternity.

[LaneSig]

I don't know about Duke, but yes - schools can refuse to allow local groups to join the campus IFC. Many campus IFCs require that groups either belong to a national GLO, be a colony of a national GLO, or an interest group. No, not all campuses, but many.

[tallgreekalum]

They often do have alumni support.

Originally Posted by TSteven

After posting yesterday, I realized that just because the inter/national is re-colonizing, it does not mean that a local group may also exist. So this morning, I checked both Sewanee's and Virginia's Greek Life websites and yep, both The Phi Society of 1883 (at Sewanee) and Phi Society (at Virginia) are recognized by the university (IFC). I also checked Vanderbilt's and came across this. (Note: I didn't find any reference to "Sigma Society" at any of the colleges.)

"This is a complete list [all are NIC, NPHC and FLA member fraternities] of all of the recognized fraternities at Vanderbilt University. As you meet students on campus and make your decision about joining a Greek organization, it is important that you consider membership only in the groups listed above. Both Sigma Nu and Phi Delta Theta will be recolonizing on our campus this year. It is important to understand that only representatives from those national organizations will be extending invitations for membership in the new group."

While no "locals" were listed on the Vanderbilt site, it does seem to imply that there *might* be unrecognized or underground "local" groups.

Now without university or Greek Life (IFC) support or recognition, and even with alumni support, how do these disaffiliated groups survive? Or perhaps another way to ask this might be "how well" do they survive? Especially when an "official" and recognized chapter of the fraternity (that the group disaffiliated from) is on campus? As an example, from the article posted at the start of the thread: "...unrecognized groups also cannot hold official events with recognized greek organizations." I don't think that helps with rush.

[Tom Earp]

It actually never ceases to amaze me when a Chapter thinks that they are bigger than the whole.

They feel that they are better than the total Fraternity?

They do not agree with the policys that are set forth not just by their National, but by the members who comprise the General Fraternity, their own Brothers.

Maybe a good analogy would be, being on an ocean liner or a row boat.

So a whoopie school like *Dook* is special, there is a bigger world out there for them to see.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

They often do have alumni support.

I don't doubt that. But when a chapter of the IFC/NIC fraternity is also on campus, I would venture to guess that the alumni support might very well be diluted. Some will be loyal to the disaffiliated group, others to the IFC/NIC chapter, and others to both. Given the resources that the national can also pour into the chapter, it seems that the disaffiliated group might be perceived to be at a disadvantage.

Now in addition to alumni support, what are the advantages - real or perceived - in joining a disaffiliated group of ABC (The A Society) that is not recognized by the campus when there is an active ABC chapter - that is recognized by the campus - on said campus? And what are the disadvantages - real or perceived?