Gerry Studds Dies

shinerbock · #1 10-19-2006, 01:14 PM

Bigot, right. I'm sorry, I suppose congressmen having sex with 17 year old pages is cool up there. Don't worry, I won't be living in Canada anytime soon, considering I like countries with things like beaches, jobs, world influence, courage, decent beer, etc...

AlexMack · #2 10-19-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Bigot, right. I'm sorry, I suppose congressmen having sex with 17 year old pages is cool up there. Don't worry, I won't be living in Canada anytime soon, considering I like countries with things like beaches, jobs, world influence, courage, decent beer, etc...

Oh look, you just tidily summed up America's egotism in one fell swoop. That's so sweet!

shinerbock · #3 10-19-2006, 04:43 PM

Some of us are proud to be American. I'm not condoning ignorance, but I'm fairly well traveled and well educated, and I don't apologize for not sitting back and allowing a Canadian citizen to ridicule the government of the United States. I'm generally a little hostile towards citizens of other countries which deride the U.S., yet depend upon America.

AlexMack · #4 10-19-2006, 04:46 PM

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Some of us are proud to be American. I'm not condoning ignorance, but I'm fairly well traveled and well educated, and I don't apologize for not sitting back and allowing a Canadian citizen to ridicule the government of the United States. I'm generally a little hostile towards citizens of other countries which deride the U.S., yet depend upon America.

Funny because I've heard Americans criticize other countries so many times. As a citizen whose country is affected by the USA's decisions, I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticize this administration. God knows everyone else is, and rightfully so.

shinerbock · #5 10-19-2006, 04:47 PM

Which is fine, nobody said he couldnt say what he wanted. I'm simply responding. Or is it politically incorrect to respond to politically correct jabs at the administration?

RACooper · #6 10-19-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Bigot, right. I'm sorry, I suppose congressmen having sex with 17 year old pages is cool up there. Don't worry, I won't be living in Canada anytime soon, considering I like countries with things like beaches, jobs, world influence, courage, decent beer, etc...

Awh... look it's so cute - he's gone on to derided gays and "leftists"; being an apologist for Timothy Mcveigh; and of course engaging in little Islamaphobia - too straight out insulting another country while bemoaning anti-Americanism

Anyways you'll note that my 'bigot' comment was directed at the comment wishing Studd's partner and most other "leftists" would leave the country... not as you try to imply about Stubbs himself.

But in the spirit of trying bring the light to those living in the dark of ignorance:
Beaches - Southern Ontario lines up with Northern California latitude-wise... also Canada has more fresh water beaches than the US (or any other country thanks to have more freshwater lakes and coastline than anyone else)
Jobs - our unemployment rate is lower, and our average per capitia income is higher....so... hmm
World Influence - Canada's influence doesn't rely on military force, but rather moral and ethical force... sorry I prefer the later.
Courage - Here, I'll help you out: check out the dates of entry into the World Wars... or the fact that Canada fought in more wars than the US during the 19th century, an equal amount in the 20th century, and of course as many legal wars as the US in the 21st century (Canada chose not to believe the faulty intelligence for Iraq).
Decent Beer - hahahahahahahahahahaha.... <breathe> hahahahahahahaha.... your funny

I'm sorry, but for someone who claims to be well travelled and well educated you seem woefully ignorant and intolerant of the world outside of the US, or for that matter outside of your personal world-view.

RU OX Alum · #7 10-19-2006, 09:17 PM

so, does that mean at least one new person will be in washington? I'm voting against all incumbant and all incumbant parties.

AlexMack · #8 10-19-2006, 09:24 PM

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Which is fine, nobody said he couldnt say what he wanted. I'm simply responding. Or is it politically incorrect to respond to politically correct jabs at the administration?

I can't believe you're actually trying to defend this administration. They've officially gone too far with the death of Habeas Corpus.

shinerbock · #9 10-19-2006, 11:36 PM

Centaur, uhhh, the Constitution allows for the suspension of habeas corpus...This isn't the first time this has happened.

As for ole RACooper. I do make fun of liberals, whats your point? I've yet to insult gays, other than to say a tryst with a teenage page is disgusting, which it is. I have no idea what you're talking about regarding McVeigh, but that doesn't surprise me considering the ridiculous statements you've made to this point.

As for what Canada has to offer...

Beaches- You're kidding. Coastline =/= beaches. American beaches are far superior to Canadian beaches, I hardly think this is a debate. Granted, I've only been to Prince Edward Island, which was quite nice, but not comparable to the wealth of beaches in the U.S.

Unemployment- really, lower? Last time I checked 6.4% (Canada in Sept.) is a higher number than 4.6% (U.S. in Sept.)...

Per Capita Income- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_income
GDP-PC, PPP, take your pick, US is higher

World Influence- Not to be mean, but Canada isn't influential, militarily or otherwise...

Wars- Yes, I'm sure Canada knew all along that the intelligence was bad, despite many, many intelligence agencies confirming the same thing. I know Canadians think appeasing terrorists will keep them off their doorstep, we shall see, however...

Decent Beer- Once again, you're joking correct?

People like yourself often call others ignorant, simply for having likes/dislikes. I don't like terrorists, how does that make me ignorant? I don't like people who deride America, how does that make me ignorant? Try standing for something, you may find you like it. On a side note, I've changed my mind about the Canadian military, I imagine some are quite courageous. My statement is directed towards the general population. I do like Harper, however.

tunatartare · #10 10-20-2006, 12:20 AM

CCCP rules

shinerbock · #11 10-20-2006, 12:46 AM

haha

Habeas Corpus isn't supposed to be suspended except during times of rebellion or invasion when the public safety requires it.(Art. I) Lincoln suspended it during the Civil War, and it was also suspended during reconstruction, under Grant I presume (not sure). My personal belief is that enemy combatants shouldn't have the privilege...I do however agree with the Hamdi(sp) case, in that U.S. citizens should have the privilege regardless of the label of enemy combatant.

My biggest problem here isn't that people think the Military Commissions Act is a bad idea, but that the large majority of people complaining about it can't even define HC. I think its something that should be debated, and people who are against it need to come up with ideas about how to solve the problem we have with these enemy combatants (its a huge and complex situation). I just get tired of people regurgitating points made by Keith Olbermann about rights they didn't even know existed until recent episodes of "Countdown."