pan-hel vs. non

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Has KBG worked toward an agreement with the NPC so that this cannot happen? I'd say that this is the only realistic way to prevent this from happening. The NPC is aware that you're a national sorority, but they aren't bound by any rules regarding the treatment of your chapters. So make some.

The only thing they can do is write into their own constitution that members can't join NPC groups. NPC won't make an agreement with a non-NPC sorority. That would open the door to every regional and local out there trying to get something on paper with them. I'm not devaluing KBG in any way, just saying that they have to police their own members and not depend on NPC to do it.

The reason NPHC members can't join NPCs isn't because of the NPC, it's because of NPHC. (NPHC members, please internet smack me hard if I'm wrong.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The only thing they can do is write into their own constitution that members can't join NPC groups. NPC won't make an agreement with a non-NPC sorority. That would open the door to every regional and local out there trying to get something on paper with them. I'm not devaluing KBG in any way, just saying that they have to police their own members and not depend on NPC to do it.

The reason NPHC members can't join NPCs isn't because of the NPC, it's because of NPHC. (NPHC members, please internet smack me hard if I'm wrong.)

Yes but if they're leaving KBG anyway, they don't care what KBG bylaws state either. It's a chapter not an individual. I don't know enough about the NPC rules to say whether or not they'd make an agreement.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yes but if they're leaving KBG anyway, they don't care what KBG bylaws state either. It's a chapter not an individual. I don't know enough about the NPC rules to say whether or not they'd make an agreement.

But the chapter's made up of initiated individuals, see? The only way a chapter absorption works is if BOTH parties agree to it.

We released some of our early chapters to Tri Delt and Pi Phi. The key words are WE RELEASED. From what BootyKBG says, KBG is not doing that. Any NPC that gets them will not be getting a chapter, they'll be getting a collection of women who are also disaffiliated members of another national sorority.

If they want to disaffiliate from KBG as individuals and start an interest group for a new NPC at their campus - that's one thing. But they should not be given the power to arbitrarily close the KBG chapter.

[AlphaFrog]

I don't know if any NPC would even take them without speaking to their National Board...and if they speak to the National Board, and find out the chapter is not released, they probably would refuse to take them.

[Drolefille]

Technically true, but they don't care if KBG has rules against it, since they'd already be breaking them. And unless KBG has an agreement with the NPC, their KBG membership does not invalidate their joining of the NPC.

It's not the same as one member leaving, because KBG doesn't want to lose their chapter. Where as a whole chapter affiliates like a local does individuals would have to rush/ form an interest group/ etc. KBG should act to disband them before this happens (if there are no other options) to prevent the chapter from being absorbed as a KBG chapter.

The difference w/ ASA and the then NPC members it that there was an agreement between the AES and the NPC. Each agreed to release the chapters it had at the others' schools, but if that ASA chapter had gone behind HQs back and approached XYZ w/o agreements in place, they could have been absorbed w/o ASA's permission.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Technically true, but they don't care if KBG has rules against it, since they'd already be breaking them. And unless KBG has an agreement with the NPC, their KBG membership does not invalidate their joining of the NPC.

It's not the same as one member leaving, because KBG doesn't want to lose their chapter. Where as a whole chapter affiliates like a local does individuals would have to rush/ form an interest group/ etc. KBG should act to disband them before this happens (if there are no other options) to prevent the chapter from being absorbed as a KBG chapter.

That's exactly what I'm saying. If every one of those girls wanted to disaffiliate and re-rush or create an NPC interest group - fine. But they shouldn't be given the power to arbitrarily close the KBG chapter without KBG HQ's consent, which is what they're trying to do.

IMO, it sounds like they're trying to stay a "chapter" so the school doesn't prevent them from doing things while they wait to get picked up by an NPC. Shady, shady, shady.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The difference w/ ASA and the then NPC members it that there was an agreement between the AES and the NPC. Each agreed to release the chapters it had at the others' schools, but if that ASA chapter had gone behind HQs back and approached XYZ w/o agreements in place, they could have been absorbed w/o ASA's permission.

The situation I was referencing had nothing to do with the AES/NPC agreements. This was many years before the AES even existed. AFAIK, there were no chapter releases or mergers of any kind when the AES groups initially joined NPC. Some chapters probably died out because of cross membership, but that's completely different.

[Drolefille]

I was thinking more of the agreements before the merger where they each agreed to leave the others' schools alone.

I get what you're saying about the chapters. And KBG needs to act before they're absorbed to prevent them from being absorbed as a chapter.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I was thinking more of the agreements before the merger where they each agreed to leave the others' schools alone.

Oh, OK. That didn't always work though.

These are the times when I wish our 50 & 60 year members would fire up their computers and chime in.

[BootyKBG]

Originally Posted by 33girl

IMO, it sounds like they're trying to stay a "chapter" so the school doesn't prevent them from doing things while they wait to get picked up by an NPC. Shady, shady, shady.

You've got it right on the money. I'm feeling more and more that these girls don't deserve to be KBG anyway. It's rediculous. Doesn't a person pledge a sorority because they WANT to wear those letters and be a part of that group?