Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Maybe it is because of the awareness that they found in College.

So, if for some reason that they want to try to join a GLO that they admire, who are any of you to judge this person?


So, no one has AIed from GC?

Slap them in the face and tell them they are not good enough to be a member of your GLO!


This is another brilliant statement about AIing.

YES YES YES! PNAMs.... there are groups -- sororities even -- that are specifically designed for women like you! They're out there! Take advantage of them! You'd think that if ritual/philanthropy/sisterhood draws you to greek life, then you would want to attempt to join a community sorority which encompasses everything you want and yet isn't as exceedingly rare as NPC AI!

Wow, you have an iron clad grasp on my point, Earp. I love you!


ETA: ReachTheLimit, I'm still interested in hearing what draws you to seeking AI w/an NPC GLO versus a community GLO. This is not a challenge, and maybe you can shed some light on what draws PNAMs specifically to NPC orgs vs. community orgs.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by OTW

Spoken like a true brown-noser! Have we already forgotten your snot-ridden posts?

Methinks the lady so desperately wants to be moderator she's doing her best to rid herself of her past!

And I think that the SK who John is already considering is fine pick, I might add.

That is great. I'm thrilled that there's going to be a moderator. That was always the goal. And my past is my present is my future. I am who I am and have no trouble living with that.

Who the hell am I supposed to be sucking up to?

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by AChiOhSnap

Wow, you have an iron clad grasp on my point, Earp. I love you!


ETA: ReachTheLimit, I'm still interested in hearing what draws you to seeking AI w/an NPC GLO versus a community GLO. This is not a challenge, and maybe you can shed some light on what draws PNAMs specifically to NPC orgs vs. community orgs.

I think Earp types on the short bus...must be such a Burden.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Dang.

I go to work, and I miss like 6 pages of AI-fun!

My general thoughts on today's posts and a summary in case anyone else's place of employment blocks out GC Fun:


* ba - if you paperwork stalled after it had already begun, the questions should be directed to the Alum. Chapter involved. Not random strangers on the internet who may or may not know how your sorority does AI.

However... my paperwork was stalled.. my AA chapter didn't know why. A "random stranger" in my sorority on GC was able to straighten it out for me, so I am a perfect example of how the AI forum on GC is a positive thing. There are some very kind souls here who are willing to help others.

*While this board is not encouraging swarms and swarms of AI, I would go back and read all the AI threads. Count how many AI's said "I have never thought of AI until now!" Count how many AIs there are because their local affiliated, or they were involved with the collegiate chapter, or they knew someone in the alum chapter already. Now make those numbers a ratio. There's your sign.

Please DO count them. You'll find that this board has not had any significant impact.

*AI is NOT recruitment

Nobody said it was.

* I had a difficult major, and I still worked almost 40 hrs/wk, paid my way through college AND all my sorority expenses, still went to class, got all my homework done, and had time for socials with the boys on Fraternity Row. It can be done. People do it every year. It's called time management.

And I was an athlete who was competing nationally and had to focus on school and my sport. Some of us don't want to be a "jack of all trades and master of none." Some of us strive for excellence and must make hard choices in college in order to realize big dreams.

* If you choose to attend a SEC school you need to know that you may or may not become greek due to it's competitiveness. If you can't handle that and being greek means the world to you, go to a less competitive school and be over it. Being greek is not the end of the world. I've never been to a SEC campus but they sure look like a lot of fun. I'm sure non-greeks have a great social life just as the greeks do.

I don't like your advice about schools. College is all about preparing you for a career. It is not about getting in to a social organization. Your career should come first. I do, however, agree that being greek (or not) is not the end of the world. And yes SEC schools are a lot of fun, but they're also a lot of hard work.

* I don't know about anyone else, but I don't wake up every morning and think "Gosh, I need to fill my daily quota of finding a great, unaffiliated woman to join my sisterhood!" If there is someone I know very well, and I think she is an outstanding individual, I will let my AA know. I don't let it consume my day, because.. well, I'm at WORK.

I think you're unfairly exaggerating this. I don't think there is anyone on here who was about to slit their wrists because they aren't in a GLO. And, what if there is an outstanding woman out there that you DON'T know?

* Let's lay off the report button

If everyone obeys the TOS, people will have no need to hit the report button.

* AI is not recruitment

didn't you say this already?

* AI is not an open event

meaning?

* Anyone can post in the AI forum. It is not your call to decide who can/can't post here

I agree with that

* Also it's not that we're "ANTI-AI" we're "ANTI-SORORITY SHOPPING" and "ANTI- putting information on the intraweb that shouldn't be out there"

Please define "sorority shopping" as this seems to be a kicked around term that nobody can agree on. What is this secret squirrel info you're referring to?

You know, I wonder if there are any GC women who now regret helping/sponsor GC PNAMs through their process? Who have witnessed either firsthand in the AA or online the behavior of these former PNAMs they assisted... and then think to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by OTW

You know, I wonder if there are any GC women who now regret helping/sponsor GC PNAMs through their process? Who have witnessed either firsthand in the AA or online the behavior of these former PNAMs they assisted... and then think to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

and.. I wonder if there are people who wrote recs for PNMs and now regret helping them through the process.. who have witnessed either firsthand in the college chapter, AA or online the behavior of those former PNMs they assisted.. and thing to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

[GDIfly]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a rec for a PNAM helps a lot more than a rec for a PNM.
The PNM may still have made it into a chapter easily without a recommendation because of quota/recruitment considerations etc., but a PNAM isn't going through recruitment (I heard somewhere that the two were different.) and has a much lower chance of getting in in the first place, ESPECIALLY without a recommendation from a member.

[adpiucf]

A woman cannot participate in the AI program without a sponsor. Hence, those who have been been invited to join through the AI program have come through the recommendation of an alumnae or collegiate chapter, and have a sponsor to guide them through ritual. There are no "recs" for AI members. The decision is made by a group of individuals to approach them about membership through the AI program.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by OTW

You know, I wonder if there are any GC women who now regret helping/sponsor GC PNAMs through their process? Who have witnessed either firsthand in the AA or online the behavior of these former PNAMs they assisted... and then think to themselves, "WTF WAS I THINKING?"

I can't stop laughing at this. The Drama Express has left the station, and it's choo-choo-choosing passengers along the way.

[GDIfly]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

A woman cannot participate in the AI program without a sponsor. Hence, those who have been been invited to join through the AI program have come through the recommendation of an alumnae or collegiate chapter, and have a sponsor to guide them through ritual. There are no "recs" for AI members. The decision is made by a group of individuals to approach them about membership through the AI program.

Okay... I take it back. Sponsoring a woman through AI definitely helps more than writing a recommendation for undergrad recruitment.
QED

Originally Posted by GDIfly

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a rec for a PNAM helps a lot more than a rec for a PNM.
The PNM may still have made it into a chapter easily without a recommendation because of quota/recruitment considerations etc., but a PNAM isn't going through recruitment (I heard somewhere that the two were different.) and has a much lower chance of getting in in the first place, ESPECIALLY without a recommendation from a member.

Finally something we can agree on, GDIfly!

Many GCers went through recruitment without the aid of alumnae and recs. But then again, someone once told me that AI and Recruitment are not the same. What you just said pretty much nullifies BA's attempt to compare the two.

Recs for Recruitment are easily and readily available for download on the website. Funny how it's not the same for AI. Oh wait...it's because AI and recruitment aren't the same. Well, whaddya know?!

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

A woman cannot participate in the AI program without a sponsor. Hence, those who have been been invited to join through the AI program have come through the recommendation of an alumnae or collegiate chapter, and have a sponsor to guide them through ritual. There are no "recs" for AI members. The decision is made by a group of individuals to approach them about membership through the AI program.

While what you say may be true for ADPi, I can assure you, all of what you are saying is not true for all GLOs.

Originally Posted by blueangel

While what you say may be true for ADPi, I can assure you, all of what you are saying is not true for all GLOs.

How can you "assure her" when you're a ZTA who knows ZTA information? You seem so confident to speak on behalf of the rest of the 24.

[GDIfly]

Originally Posted by OTW

How can you "assure her" when you're a ZTA who knows ZTA information? You seem so confident to speak on behalf of the rest of the 24.

All she said was that what adpi posted was not true for all 26. All it takes is one that is different, presumably ZTA, for that to be the case.
oh noes. we don't agree anymore.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by OTW

How can you "assure her" when you're a ZTA who knows ZTA information? You seem so confident to speak on behalf of the rest of the 24.

No, I am speaking about ZTA. She is speaking of all GLO's.. and I can say that what she is saying is not all true of ZTA.