Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry, but there have been toward some such as ZTA and DDD AI members who have voiced their oppinion.

If you're referring to Blueangel as the ZTA AI who has been greviously wronged, it has nothing to do with her being an AI and everything to do with the way she conducts herself on these boards. If you are referring to Bichonl as the DDD AI who has been questioned for sorority shopping, members were pointing out their displeasure with AI sorority shopping.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Thank you for posting that are not anti AI, but from what I read, that is in error. There is a listing of AI's who are Anti, but they are now Sisters of said GLO.

Tom, I don't think you have read comprehensively. I say this because the thread in question asks members if they are pro/con regarding the continued existence of an AI Forum on Greek Chat.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

What amazed me in reading some posts there are those who feel that AI's are not real Sisters?

Again, this may lie in a reading comprehension issue. IRL and online, quite the contrary. I'm not sure where you're getting this information, but it is completely inaccurate and you're just spreading misinformation.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

When We have an AI, and that persone goes through Our Ritual, they are given Numbers which means they are Members of Our GLO. Period.

That is wonderful!

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

When people say they despise AI because they are shopping, well, my question is always, what is Undergraduate Rushing?

Newsflash: AI is not recruitment. Our sororities exist for the purpose of undergraduate membership. Undergraduate recruitment is the appropriate forum to join a sorority and meet multiple sororities to determine a mutual selection. I am sure you are already familiar with that process. AI is meant for those who have a connection to the sorority and are invited to join based on their association with the organization.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It is a person who is trying to find a GLO that they feel comfortable with and this includes both sides.

An AI is invited to join based on her existing connection, not her blind bid to get a contact and attend alumnae events and "rush" an alumnae chapter. This is not the way 99.9% of us do things. I can't speak for your fraternity; perhaps you hold open alumni recruitment? This is the not the way NPC sororities conduct AI.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I have seen so many AIs who have become Members and are very productive
and then are not seen in the same eyes of those that go through the Undergrade Recruitment.

I'm sorry you may have observed this, but given the miscomprehension regarding prior posts and threads, perhaps you were also mistaken about this observance?

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

These women sweat blood, time and effort to become Members of a GLO!

Indeed, they do! And we are grateful and indebted to all of our members who participate in sorority events, regardless of when and how they gained membership. Once a sister, always a sister. How she came to be a sister is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Then, some seem to take it upon themselves to say they are not as good?

Yes, My Fraternity has had AIs and they have been very produtive as the Ladies have been.

Give them credit.

Okay, there are Some/Many GLOs who want to profess no, no, no, but still do, do, do?

That is fine.

But there seems to be a contengent who want to say Oh, No!

I have no idea what any of this statement means, but I don't believe you comprehend what you read, or you are purposely stirring the pot for your own amusement.

Tom, AI is not recruitment and it is an honor bestowed upon a small few based on their connection or service to the organization. It isn't publicized precisely because it is not recruitment. Once an AI member joins, she is a welcomed sister into our organizations. I hope you will read this paragraph several times so you comprehend fully what NPC AI is and cease with your hateful threads that spout nothing but lies and misinformation. Thanks.

[blueangel]

If you're referring to Blueangel as the ZTA AI who has been greviously wronged, it has nothing to do with her being an AI and everything to do with the way she conducts herself on these boards.

You mean standing up to the bully brigade on Greek Chat?



I should be ashamed!

[adpiucf]

I never said any of those things, blueangel. Right or wrong, the fact remains that many Greek Chat members don't like you. Stating such is not a TOS violation or a personal attack, just a point of information. How you choose to conduct yourself on Greek Chat isn't my concern. I was responding to Tom's allegation.

[AGDee]

If anybody has questions about an organization's policies regarding AI (or anything else for that matter.. like if new members can wear letters, have to return letters if they aren't initiated, etc), then they should be referred to their headquarters/officers/volunteers who know the definitive answers. Even if one of those people post on this board, they are less likely to post policy in an open forum like this. Few posters on GC are qualified to give out this information and ensure accuracy.

[Drolefille]

I agree that private information and particularly ritual information should be kept private. However I feel the focus on here is wrong. Someone ASKING about the requirements for AI should be told to contact the GLO, yes. But we shouldn't get mad at the askers. We should get mad at people who tell the private information.

It seems that more AI threads get ruined by active GC members then by crazy PNAIs. (Not that there aren't both) I don't know why sensible modding and some discretion on the part of the sorority members couldn't solve most of the AI problems. And as for the crazies, their lack discretion will directly affect their AI process. Thus letting that particular problem solve itself.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I agree that private information and particularly ritual information should be kept private. However I feel the focus on here is wrong. Someone ASKING about the requirements for AI should be told to contact the GLO, yes. But we shouldn't get mad at the askers. We should get mad at people who tell the private information.

It seems that more AI threads get ruined by active GC members then by crazy PNAIs. (Not that there aren't both) I don't know why sensible modding and some discretion on the part of the sorority members couldn't solve most of the AI problems. And as for the crazies, their lack discretion will directly affect their AI process. Thus letting that particular problem solve itself.

I think the problem is, the answer is different depending on the GLO. For some GLOs, contacting the GLO is the absolute WRONG thing to do. The mods can't be expected to know the AI policies for all the groups either and shouldn't speak for other groups.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I think the problem is, the answer is different depending on the GLO. For some GLOs, contacting the GLO is the absolute WRONG thing to do. The mods can't be expected to know the AI policies for all the groups either and shouldn't speak for other groups.

Yes it is! I tried to get the information straight and post it!

But, thank goodness it has been changed to other MODS!

Oh, MODs who are doing their best!

Are They getting assistance, NO!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I think the problem is, the answer is different depending on the GLO. For some GLOs, contacting the GLO is the absolute WRONG thing to do. The mods can't be expected to know the AI policies for all the groups either and shouldn't speak for other groups.

I understand that. It is up to sorority members to provide the correct information (or to avoid providing it) as they wish. But asking on here only makes someone ignorant (And they probably used google) not a desperate sorority shopper. Heck, someone who comes on here as a sorority shopper might actually learn her lesson.



While I agree there is private information that should not be shared and that this should be edited out (or modded if reported) AI is not synonymous with membership selection. Part of the AI process is MS. But I do not believe the rest of it should be edited out of GC simply because it bugs some people.

(at the same time, the snark and sarcasm shouldn't be edited out either.. the less editing the better)

PNAIs are NOT tearing this sub-forum apart. Active members are. (And Earp is helping)

[Jen]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I agree that private information and particularly ritual information should be kept private. However I feel the focus on here is wrong. Someone ASKING about the requirements for AI should be told to contact the GLO, yes. But we shouldn't get mad at the askers. We should get mad at people who tell the private information.

PNAMs should not have to ask - a simple "read this first" thread directing them to contact the sorority of their choice should be enough. Why get information on what a PNAM feels is very important from someone random on GC when you could go to the actual source, the sorority, and get the most accurate information possible?

They can email IHQ, ask if they have AI and if they qualify and if so, how do they begin the process and get all of the information they need through correct channels, NOT GC.

[TrueBlueKappa]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

PNAMs should not have to ask - a simple "read this first" thread directing them to contact the sorority of their choice should be enough. Why get information on what a PNAM feels is very important from someone random on GC when you could go to the actual source, the sorority, and get the most accurate information possible?

They can email IHQ, ask if they have AI and if they qualify and if so, how do they begin the process and get all of the information they need through correct channels, NOT GC.

Completely agree.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ariesrising

PNAMs should not have to ask - a simple "read this first" thread directing them to contact the sorority of their choice should be enough. Why get information on what a PNAM feels is very important from someone random on GC when you could go to the actual source, the sorority, and get the most accurate information possible?

They can email IHQ, ask if they have AI and if they qualify and if so, how do they begin the process and get all of the information they need through correct channels, NOT GC.

Note: I'm going to compare AI to Recruitment, I know this is not a direct comparison, etc.

In theory, this would be ok. Except that this is like saying that a PNM shouldn't ask questions on here, they should read a sticky and ask their Greek Life office. I don't think it's a bad thing for PNAMs to talk about their stories ahead of time. If anything, it lets you correct things before they progress to far.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by TrueBlueKappa

I am not trying to get in the middle of this, but I find it quite sad as well as obnoxious that you bring this up over and over again. No matter what the topic of the thread, if Tippiechick posts in it, you find a way to bring this up.

Everyone has dropped it except for you. You mention obsessed... and I think that's quite a fitting description for you.

Did I strike a nerve?

[Jen]

Originally Posted by OTW

Putting disagreements aside, I think this thread was one of the most civil discussions we've had about AI in a long time. That said, I hope that the mods don't move or lock this thread completely.

Take out the irrelevant posts from this thread, especially the ones intentionally thrown out there to bait people, but don't close the thread because it's not fair to those who tried to stay as drama-free as possible...who actually enjoy reading the comments here.

I agree, I hope it doesn't get closed, only pruned. This has been a very interesting discussion so far.

[polosandpearls]

I'm not anti-AI. I'm anti-sharing information about AI on an internet chat board. If anything, I think there should be a link to the chapter sites that have AI info on them. If there is no information, just simply say there's no information available to the public. That could cut out a lot of BS. Or then again, if someone wants something THAT bad, they can go to npcwomen.org and do some research.

Sorority life is NOT for everyone despite some of the politically correct crap you hear occasionally. Either you are invited to join a chapter with the recommendation of someone in your network, or you find something else you occupy your time.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

[indygphib]

I think PolosandPearls pretty much sums up my exact feelings on AI. I feel that an internet chatboard is an inappropriate place to seek out information/sponsorship/whatever in regards to AI. If a person is interested, she should contact the organization directly and not some random person on a chatboard.