Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[chitownxo]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Are You out of YOUR mind!


Dont you know that AI is special and is not to be talked about?

Everyone that I heard is Anti! Well, maybe not so much!

Tom, the vast majority of us are not "anti-AI". Many of us are "anti" discussing the process because we believe it contains ritual information (i.e. membership selection). There are others on this board who believe the AI process is NOT ritual. Therein lays the debate. My position is that as my organization does not publicize our AI process, neither will I, as I will respect the wishes of my organization.

I don't believe I've read any posts that disparage sisters who have joined organizations via AI. If there are posts of this sort on GC, I've missed them.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by chitownxo

Tom, the vast majority of us are not "anti-AI". Many of us are "anti" discussing the process because we believe it contains ritual information (i.e. membership selection). There are others on this board who believe the AI process is NOT ritual. Therein lays the debate. My position is that as my organization does not publicize our AI process, neither will I, as I will respect the wishes of my organization.

I don't believe I've read any posts that disparage sisters who have joined organizations via AI. If there are posts of this sort on GC, I've missed them.

Sorry, but there have been toward some such as ZTA and DDD AI members who have voiced their oppinion.

Thank you for posting that are not anti AI, but from what I read, that is in error. There is a listing of AI's who are Anti, but they are now Sisters of said GLO.

What amazed me in reading some posts there are those who feel that AI's are not real Sisters?

When We have an AI, and that persone goes through Our Ritual, they are given Numbers which means they are Members of Our GLO. Period.

When people say they despise AI because they are shopping, well, my question is always, what is Undergraduate Rushing?

It is a person who is trying to find a GLO that they feel comfortable with and this includes both sides.

I have seen so many AIs who have become Members and are very productive
and then are not seen in the same eyes of those that go through the Undergrade Recruitment.

These women sweat blood, time and effort to become Members of a GLO!

Then, some seem to take it upon themselves to say they are not as good?

Yes, My Fraternity has had AIs and they have been very produtive as the Ladies have been.

Give them credit.

Okay, there are Some/Many GLOs who want to profess no, no, no, but still do, do, do?

That is fine.

But there seems to be a contengent who want to say Oh, No!

[chitownxo]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry, but there have been toward some such as ZTA and DDD AI members who have voiced their oppinion.I think you can chalk at least one of those to a personality conflict.

Thank you for posting that are not anti AI, but from what I read, that is in error. There is a listing of AI's who are Anti, but they are now Sisters of said GLO. From what I've read, I believe they are not "anti-AI" but are against speaking of the process due to some of the things that have taken place on this board and IRL. It's their perogative. You don't have to like it, but you should respect their opinion.

What amazed me in reading some posts there are those who feel that AI's are not real Sisters:I have not seen those posts. I can only speak for myself and my feelings; members of Chi Omega who are in good standing with our national office are my sisters, regardless of how they joined.

When We have an AI, and that persone goes through Our Ritual, they are given Numbers which means they are Members of Our GLO. Period.As I, and others, have stated before, membership selection is ritual for sororities. I do not know what specific fraternities consider ritual, just as you don't know what we consider ritual.

When people say they despise AI because they are shopping, well, my question is always, what is Undergraduate Rushing? Undergraduate recruitment is not the same thing. There is a separate process for undergraduate intake based on mutually recognized agreements between the 26 NPC sororities. There is no, to my knowledge, agreement between the sisterhoods regarding AI. Each group does their own separate PRIVATE process.

It is a person who is trying to find a GLO that they feel comfortable with and this includes both sides.

I have seen so many AIs who have become Members and are very productive
and then are not seen in the same eyes of those that go through the Undergrade Recruitment. These women sweat blood, time and effort to become Members of a GLO! I would agree that AI's are and should be afforded respect from their specific GLOs.

Then, some seem to take it upon themselves to say they are not as good?

Yes, My Fraternity has had AIs and they have been very produtive as the Ladies have been.That's fine Tom, but that's not the issue here. You are not discussing how to AI into LXA; why should we discuss how to AI into a sorority?

Give them credit.

I try to respect all of my sisters, and everyone on the board[COLOR="indigo"]

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry, but there have been toward some such as ZTA and DDD AI members who have voiced their oppinion.

If you're referring to Blueangel as the ZTA AI who has been greviously wronged, it has nothing to do with her being an AI and everything to do with the way she conducts herself on these boards. If you are referring to Bichonl as the DDD AI who has been questioned for sorority shopping, members were pointing out their displeasure with AI sorority shopping.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Thank you for posting that are not anti AI, but from what I read, that is in error. There is a listing of AI's who are Anti, but they are now Sisters of said GLO.

Tom, I don't think you have read comprehensively. I say this because the thread in question asks members if they are pro/con regarding the continued existence of an AI Forum on Greek Chat.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

What amazed me in reading some posts there are those who feel that AI's are not real Sisters?

Again, this may lie in a reading comprehension issue. IRL and online, quite the contrary. I'm not sure where you're getting this information, but it is completely inaccurate and you're just spreading misinformation.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

When We have an AI, and that persone goes through Our Ritual, they are given Numbers which means they are Members of Our GLO. Period.

That is wonderful!

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

When people say they despise AI because they are shopping, well, my question is always, what is Undergraduate Rushing?

Newsflash: AI is not recruitment. Our sororities exist for the purpose of undergraduate membership. Undergraduate recruitment is the appropriate forum to join a sorority and meet multiple sororities to determine a mutual selection. I am sure you are already familiar with that process. AI is meant for those who have a connection to the sorority and are invited to join based on their association with the organization.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It is a person who is trying to find a GLO that they feel comfortable with and this includes both sides.

An AI is invited to join based on her existing connection, not her blind bid to get a contact and attend alumnae events and "rush" an alumnae chapter. This is not the way 99.9% of us do things. I can't speak for your fraternity; perhaps you hold open alumni recruitment? This is the not the way NPC sororities conduct AI.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I have seen so many AIs who have become Members and are very productive
and then are not seen in the same eyes of those that go through the Undergrade Recruitment.

I'm sorry you may have observed this, but given the miscomprehension regarding prior posts and threads, perhaps you were also mistaken about this observance?

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

These women sweat blood, time and effort to become Members of a GLO!

Indeed, they do! And we are grateful and indebted to all of our members who participate in sorority events, regardless of when and how they gained membership. Once a sister, always a sister. How she came to be a sister is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Then, some seem to take it upon themselves to say they are not as good?

Yes, My Fraternity has had AIs and they have been very produtive as the Ladies have been.

Give them credit.

Okay, there are Some/Many GLOs who want to profess no, no, no, but still do, do, do?

That is fine.

But there seems to be a contengent who want to say Oh, No!

I have no idea what any of this statement means, but I don't believe you comprehend what you read, or you are purposely stirring the pot for your own amusement.

Tom, AI is not recruitment and it is an honor bestowed upon a small few based on their connection or service to the organization. It isn't publicized precisely because it is not recruitment. Once an AI member joins, she is a welcomed sister into our organizations. I hope you will read this paragraph several times so you comprehend fully what NPC AI is and cease with your hateful threads that spout nothing but lies and misinformation. Thanks.

[blueangel]

If you're referring to Blueangel as the ZTA AI who has been greviously wronged, it has nothing to do with her being an AI and everything to do with the way she conducts herself on these boards.

You mean standing up to the bully brigade on Greek Chat?



I should be ashamed!

[adpiucf]

I never said any of those things, blueangel. Right or wrong, the fact remains that many Greek Chat members don't like you. Stating such is not a TOS violation or a personal attack, just a point of information. How you choose to conduct yourself on Greek Chat isn't my concern. I was responding to Tom's allegation.

[AGDee]

If anybody has questions about an organization's policies regarding AI (or anything else for that matter.. like if new members can wear letters, have to return letters if they aren't initiated, etc), then they should be referred to their headquarters/officers/volunteers who know the definitive answers. Even if one of those people post on this board, they are less likely to post policy in an open forum like this. Few posters on GC are qualified to give out this information and ensure accuracy.

[Drolefille]

I agree that private information and particularly ritual information should be kept private. However I feel the focus on here is wrong. Someone ASKING about the requirements for AI should be told to contact the GLO, yes. But we shouldn't get mad at the askers. We should get mad at people who tell the private information.

It seems that more AI threads get ruined by active GC members then by crazy PNAIs. (Not that there aren't both) I don't know why sensible modding and some discretion on the part of the sorority members couldn't solve most of the AI problems. And as for the crazies, their lack discretion will directly affect their AI process. Thus letting that particular problem solve itself.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by TrueBlueKappa

I am not trying to get in the middle of this, but I find it quite sad as well as obnoxious that you bring this up over and over again. No matter what the topic of the thread, if Tippiechick posts in it, you find a way to bring this up.

Everyone has dropped it except for you. You mention obsessed... and I think that's quite a fitting description for you.

Did I strike a nerve?

[Jen]

Originally Posted by OTW

Putting disagreements aside, I think this thread was one of the most civil discussions we've had about AI in a long time. That said, I hope that the mods don't move or lock this thread completely.

Take out the irrelevant posts from this thread, especially the ones intentionally thrown out there to bait people, but don't close the thread because it's not fair to those who tried to stay as drama-free as possible...who actually enjoy reading the comments here.

I agree, I hope it doesn't get closed, only pruned. This has been a very interesting discussion so far.

[polosandpearls]

I'm not anti-AI. I'm anti-sharing information about AI on an internet chat board. If anything, I think there should be a link to the chapter sites that have AI info on them. If there is no information, just simply say there's no information available to the public. That could cut out a lot of BS. Or then again, if someone wants something THAT bad, they can go to npcwomen.org and do some research.

Sorority life is NOT for everyone despite some of the politically correct crap you hear occasionally. Either you are invited to join a chapter with the recommendation of someone in your network, or you find something else you occupy your time.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

[indygphib]

I think PolosandPearls pretty much sums up my exact feelings on AI. I feel that an internet chatboard is an inappropriate place to seek out information/sponsorship/whatever in regards to AI. If a person is interested, she should contact the organization directly and not some random person on a chatboard.

[DolphinChicaDDD]

AI existed before GreekChat came along, women managed to get into contact with the appropriate people without the aid of GC. Or, more appropriately, the appropriate people were able to get into contact with the PNAI, since I do believe AI should be reserved for absorbed locals and for special cases, like a woman in the communtiy who helped the chapter along.

Originally Posted by indygphib

I think PolosandPearls pretty much sums up my exact feelings on AI. I feel that an internet chatboard is an inappropriate place to seek out information/sponsorship/whatever in regards to AI. If a person is interested, she should contact the organization directly and not some random person on a chatboard.

Ten pages of discussion (at 40 posts per page) echo this as well, with the exception of 3, maybe 4, individuals.

[Jen]

I would like to discuss the issue of AI and its place on Greekchat. Anyone else up for that?