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[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Of course it's different.. but they're both inappropriate... and no reason to shut down whole forums. One can ask for sponsorship or a rec, but getting them is a whole 'nother story!

There are quite a few people on GC who don't find it inappropriate to help someone find a local alum to give a PNM a rec. There isn't anyone on GC who thinks it's appropriate to sponsor random people on GC for AI.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

There are quite a few people on GC who don't find it inappropriate to help someone find a local alum to give a PNM a rec. There isn't anyone on GC who thinks it's appropriate to sponsor random people on GC for AI.

So? If that is the case, what's the problem. A PNAI can ask, but she's not going to get anywhere getting a sponsor on GC.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by blueangel

So? If that is the case, what's the problem. A PNAI can ask, but she's not going to get anywhere getting a sponsor on GC.

Oh for crying out loud in a bucket.

IT HAS HAPPENED. What part of this is not penetrating??

Like I said before, I think that the reason you're so cavalier about all this is you know ZTA alum initiation is few and far between and always has been, so it's a moot point as far as you're concerned.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh for crying out loud in a bucket.

IT HAS HAPPENED. What part of this is not penetrating??

Like I said before, I think that the reason you're so cavalier about all this is you know ZTA alum initiation is few and far between and always has been, so it's a moot point as far as you're concerned.

It HAS happened? To whom and by whom? Please feel free to PM me if you don't feel comfortable naming names here. I have never heard of it.

And, no, it's not a "moot point"-- because I read the AI forum and enjoy it.. and don't want to see a vocal minority ruin it for the rest of us.

Amended to add: Alpha Frog seems to think nobody believes in sponsoring an AI from GC... so either she is right or you are.

[AlphaFrog]

Jesus Christ... "nobody" on GC is a generic term for 99.99999% of everybody. There are hundreds of thousands of members, so if there's an exception, it's going to happen. Why must you be so f*ing literal?

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Jesus Christ... "nobody" on GC is a generic term for 99.99999% of everybody. There are hundreds of thousands of members, so if there's an exception, it's going to happen. Why must you be so f*ing literal?

So then you're saying that it happens but is extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely rare? .00001 %? So then, what's the problem?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

So then you're saying that it happens but is extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely rare? .00001 %? So then, what's the problem?

That's the problem.

[CutiePie2000]

I'll have b*lls of steel and name them publicly:

sagesofages sponsored adduncan for Phi Mu
GPhiBLtColonel did it for Cluey, navane, & houstonchica for GPhiB.
I've been approached via PMs for sponsorship multiple times and now I just delete them, so I don't have the names anymore.
TrojanGirl was sponsored into KD by another KD member on GC, but I can't remember specifically who it was. (edit: sorry: I was incorrect here. I've apologize for this here..and also later on in the thread. Thank you.)

I used to be more open-minded to women pursuing AI through their own recommendation but I am no longer and the whole idea makes me uncomfortable, due to the downturn of events. If someone's AI pursuit comes to a grinding halt, who am I to get involved and help get it jumpstarted again? Maybe those local women are saying "no" in a tacit manner (i.e. ignoring the PNAM, hoping they'll go away), because they know something that I don't.

And also, by tacit, I mean: implied or indicated (as by an act or by silence) but not actually expressed. By doing "nothing', they're hoping that the PNAM will take the hint and drop the whole pursuit issue. I don't think that this is very nice, but a lot of people are uncomfortable with confrontation.

[valkyrie]

LOL OH SNAP. CP, I love you.

[blueangel]

Thanks for clearing this up. I had no idea this was going on. I agree, it's quite inappropriate. I don't know who is more wrong-- those asking or those doing the sponsoring.

But is shutting down the forum the answer? I don't think so. The board does so much good. This is an unfortunate, but not unsolvable issue.

As a sidebar, "ignoring a PNAI until they go away." isn't tactful. In my opinion, it's cowardly and cruel. Better to tell them nicely that they are not a good fit for the organization.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

I'll have b*lls of steel and name them publicly:

TrojanGirl was sponsored into KD by another KD member on GC, but I can't remember specifically who it was.

She most certainly WAS NOT!!!

[LouisaMay]

I was just about to post the same thing, Leslie Anne. I think there is some confusion between TrojanGirl and trojangal. Trojangal and I have corresponded on and off, and I am certain that she was not sponsored by someone that she knew only on the internet. Trojangal is a KD. TrojanGirl appears to be a Pi Phi. I don't know her circumstances at all, and I am not saying that she is the person who CutiePie2000 had in mind.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

She most certainly WAS NOT!!!

My apologies, I stand corrected on the KD AI.

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

I'll have b*lls of steel and name them publicly:

sagesofages sponsored adduncan for Phi Mu
GPhiBLtColonel did it for Cluey, navane, & houstonchica for GPhiB.
I've been approached via PMs for sponsorship multiple times and now I just delete them, so I don't have the names anymore.
TrojanGirl was sponsored into KD by another KD member on GC, but I can't remember specifically who it was.

And people still wonder why you took down your informational post in the first place.

I wonder how HQs feel about this. I assume there's a spot on the application asking, "What is your relationship with this woman?" ... For some reason I feel that "I don't know this woman in real life, but I met her on a Fraternity & Sorority message board and I recommend her for membership" wouldn't fly with HQs.

Thanks for posting this CP...but something tells me that this info is still not good enough for the GCer demanding the information. She's just going to keep on badgering you, unfortunately.

[DSTCHAOS]

33girl, valkyrie, CutiePie2000, and adpiucf are officially cool as a fan.