Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Actually it's some people... not all. There are also a number of people who enjoy the AI subforum, and some, like me, who found it quite helpful when going through the process (please see my prior post.)

Yes, it happens a few PNAIs seek sponsorship on GC. But.. so what? They can ask.. but have they gotten any takers? I don't know of anyone who has sponsored anybody else for AI on Greek Chat without meeting them.
It's just like PNMs who ask for recs on Greek Chat. Is that any reason to shut down the recruitment forum?

Some...not including Tom, you, and 1 Alpha Gam. Clear enough now??

Giving someone a REC FOR RUSH is NOT THE SAME as SPONSORING for AI.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Some...not including Tom, you, and 1 Alpha Gam. Clear enough now??

Giving someone a REC FOR RUSH is NOT THE SAME as SPONSORING for AI.

Are you trying to allege that Tom, me and 1 Alpha Gam are the only people who favor having an AI subforum? I think you'd find you're sadly mistaken. It is really the vocal minority who want it gone.. not the majority of GC'ers. Clear enough now?

[kstar]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Are you trying to allege that Tom, me and 1 Alpha Gam are the only people who favor having an AI subforum? I think you'd find you're sadly mistaken. It is really the vocal minority who want it gone.. not the majority of GC'ers. Clear enough now?

I'm not generally in this "vocal minority" yet I want the forum gone. This forum undermines the membership selection process, which is ritual. Also, this forum cheapens the women that have truly EARNED their Alumna Initiation.

[kdonline]

For the record, I'd like the AI forum to stay.

...on the condition that these people are told BY THE MODS or in PM to contact the sorority directly. Then the thread is closed. End of Story.

But I know that some oh-so-helpful GCers will turn any seemingly innocent question into a knock-down. This should not happen.

So, quick moderation (meaning, delete any posts in reply to the original poster and then a thread lock) will get the message across this Alumnae Initiation is not discussed on greekchat.

A thread would have 2-3 msgs, max. One from the original poster, then the Mod one saying "go private" and then the original poster saying "kthx - see you in a PM!" Then LOCKED.

There are 2 experienced mods to this forum, and both are online quite often. Why can't this be done?

That way, we all can be happy.

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by kdonline

For the record, I'd like the AI forum to stay.

...on the condition that these people are told BY THE MODS or in PM to contact the sorority directly. Then the thread is closed. End of Story.

So, quick moderation (meaning, delete any posts in reply to the original poster and then a thread lock) will get the message across this Alumnae Initiation is not discussed on greekchat

I definitely agree, I would still like to hear the experiences of successful AIs and generic stuff about AI but if it's between that and seeing the forum remain the same...well I'd rather just not have the forum.

ETA: if it's come down to PRO and CON with no middle ground, then I con the AI forum.

[Jen]

Originally Posted by kdonline

For the record, I'd like the AI forum to stay.

...on the condition that these people are told BY THE MODS or in PM to contact the sorority directly. Then the thread is closed. End of Story.

A very good solution.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by kdonline

For the record, I'd like the AI forum to stay.

...on the condition that these people are told BY THE MODS or in PM to contact the sorority directly. Then the thread is closed. End of Story.

But I know that some oh-so-helpful GCers will turn any seemingly innocent question into a knock-down. This should not happen.

So, quick moderation (meaning, delete any posts in reply to the original poster and then a thread lock) will get the message across this Alumnae Initiation is not discussed on greekchat.

A thread would have 2-3 msgs, max. One from the original poster, then the Mod one saying "go private" and then the original poster saying "kthx - see you in a PM!" Then LOCKED.

There are 2 experienced mods to this forum, and both are online quite often. Why can't this be done?

That way, we all can be happy.

Yes there are as you said, two current Mods who are very good.

AI will not go hide ina corner because some want to wave the fairy wand and and make it go away.

Some are for and some are against! Go figure?

It is happening and that is a fact, period.

It may not be common , but who knows later.

If I were some of the fine Ladies who have AIed and are called Shoppers or hungry to live the good old days, I would consider this a slap in the face!

Some of them have worked long, and hard to become Members. They have also been very important members of those Sororitys and have worked extemely hard. Oh, give them another slap in the face for doing this.

Do any of you know except what they posted and the reasons that they could not for what ever reason?

NO. You went through undergrad rush.

I will gaurentee you one thing, they went through a heck of alot more than any of you ever thought about!

Do not give Me any respect, but do not disrespect them as many of you are doing!

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Yes there are as you said, two current Mods who are very good.

AI will not go hide ina corner because some want to wave the fairy wand and and make it go away.

Some are for and some are against! Go figure?

It is happening and that is a fact, period.

It may not be common , but who knows later.

If I were some of the fine Ladies who have AIed and are called Shoppers or hungry to live the good old days, I would consider this a slap in the face!

Some of them have worked long, and hard to become Members. They have also been very important members of those Sororitys and have worked extemely hard. Oh, give them another slap in the face for doing this.

Do any of you know except what they posted and the reasons that they could not for what ever reason?

NO. You went through undergrad rush.

I will gaurentee you one thing, they went through a heck of alot more than any of you ever thought about!

Do not give Me any respect, but do not disrespect them as many of you are doing!

No one is against AI, we are against an AI Forum. No one has disrespected any member who is an AI because of her initiation as an alumna. I am not quite sure why you insist otherwise.

Yes, we went through undergraduate recruitment. You know, the FUTURE of our organizations is undergraduate recruitment, don't you?

To assert that those who have successfully AI'd went through more than those who went through undergraduate recruitment undermines the purpose of AI and covers those who pursued collegiate membership with an unfair blanket statement. I am sure there are plenty of alumnae members who went through formal recruitment or COR more than once, or experienced uncomfortable situations in their life that were more extenuating than waiting to hear back from a SORORITY to see if they'd been granted membership.

For the record, many of us worked long and hard for our membership (founding a colony, building a house, establishing a new program, serving on an exec., working two jobs in addition to school to pay dues and enjoy membership are just some examples).

AI isn't recruitment, Tom. It's an honor for those with a connection to a sorority and those women don't need to jump through hoops because they've been invited through the proper channels as a way to honor them for their service. AI doesn't exist to fulfill a need of regrets past or to make up for not sucessfully initiating in undergrad.

Tom, I simply don't understand what makes a grown man, a fraternity alumni, so passionate about the goings-on of a women's association. I'm sorry you weren't able to manage this forum when it was under your moderation. I think PT and carnation have been doing a very good job since they took it over, but the point remains that several members just don't want an AI forum and wish for our AI sisters to acclimate to their sororities by conducting their posts and stories within their sorority forums.

ETA: I in no way construe the above to be a violation of the TOS or a personal attack against Tom Earp. My stating that he was not able to moderate this forum previously is a matter of fact, and not opinion, or moderation of the forum would not have been turned over to another set of moderators. I hope it is not seen as a TOS violation. It was not intended as such.

[greekalum]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

several members just don't want an AI forum and wish for our AI sisters to acclimate to their sororities by conducting their posts and stories within their sorority forums.

Several=the vast majority of those who have expressed an opinion.

And I think the rest of your sentence there bears repeating- those of us whose organizations have members who have joined via AI want them to join us as full fledged sisters in the real world and on GC! They do not need a separate forum because they are not separate or second-class members.

[chitownxo]

Originally Posted by kstar

I'm not generally in this "vocal minority" yet I want the forum gone. This forum undermines the membership selection process, which is ritual. Also, this forum cheapens the women that have truly EARNED their Alumna Initiation.

I agree.

[ms_gwyn]

I don't like getting into the argument b/c I don't like getting ganged up on, plain and simple.

My views on AI are very clearly documented on GC and I really don't care if I am considered one of those PNAM that "shopped" if you look at a lot of threads started in 2003, it would seem that they "shopped" as well, whatever, this will be my first and last post on this subject in this thread.

I like the forum, I would like for it to stay, its the pettiness that gets me and some of the hypocrites, I get a kick out of as well.

Just because I don't post my opinions doesn't mean that I don't have them, but most of the recent threads have turned into trainwreaks.

I really have nothing more to add....

gwyn

[Drolefille]

I feel like the sane people asking for moderation and not 100% one way or the other are being ignored in the hard core fight going on.

I don't think it's all or nothing (and I include immediate lockage in the nothing category). But I wrote a lovely post on that which was sadly ignored due to other rantings. I hope it at least made sense. I don't advocate shopping etc. but as long as there are threads on GC about AI, there will be discussion of AI and people who come here because of AI. Unless you strip all of that out of the old threads, it's not going to change much.

I don't feel like it should be a forbidden topic. And I think we should be allowed to discourage or encourage people as appropriate. Even if the subforum were to be deleted, I think discussion should occur in the Alumni Involvement forum as before the subforum's creation.

[greekalum]

Wellllllllll.... if some AIs want to post threads in the Alumni Involvement forum about things like, "What is your interaction with your alumnae group like as an AI"? I think that would be appropriate, but what I think would be more appropriate would be for them to just post in the regular threads discussing alum issues since they are, once initiated, just like anyone else.

People who are SEEKING AI are not alums of anything. I don't think they fit in the Alumni Involvement forum.

There is no discreet, tactful way to run a thread in which you are shopping for an organization to join as an alum. So I don't think we need a place for it. ReachTheLimit's post about what she is doing was about as appropriate as can be, but I don't know that what she posted needs *discussion*. If she does become an AI, she can post about her experience in that organization's subforum, where she would be welcomed.