Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

ReachTheLimit · #1 10-04-2006, 08:48 AM

I'm curious about something, so I'll just throw it out there. If so many sororities don't want AI discussed on Greek Chat, then why doesn't someone from higher up in the individual GLO's not post on here from time to time making the wishes of the individual GLO known.

I'm only asking this b/c many having posted the GC is affecting AI policy of many sororities.

Any thoughts?

SoCalGirl · #2 10-04-2006, 09:03 AM

I don't know how far reaching the affect of GC really is on sorority AI procedures but most if not all the sororities (and fraternities) try to keep an eye on things here. The "higher ups" don't post here due to many reasons. (I'll take a stab that the #1 reason is to not to make GC a legit place to get membership info.) If it's important enough to be said they'll do it through their existing communications with members (newsletters, websites, etc).

midwesterngirl · #3 10-04-2006, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I'm curious about something, so I'll just throw it out there. If so many sororities don't want AI discussed on Greek Chat, then why doesn't someone from higher up in the individual GLO's not post on here from time to time making the wishes of the individual GLO known.

I'm only asking this b/c many having posted the GC is affecting AI policy of many sororities.

Any thoughts?

There have been a few national officers on this board who have asked that the information be limited. Unfortunately their concerns weren't taken very seriously by the former mod. That has been part of the problem from the beginning. Incorrect and unneeded information was being allowed to circulate and wasn't being stopped like it should have been. From there other problems arose and were blown totally out of proportion. I personally wish the forum to be deleted all together but if it isn't going to be,there needs to be a much much tighter reign on it.

SoCalGirl · #4 10-04-2006, 09:14 AM

So I just thought of an excellent reason that an AI forum isn't needed!

For all the lovely women who have successfully AI'd are FULL MEMBERS! They don't need a seperate forum. If they get to keep a seperate forum then we should also have one for NM/pledges.

adpiucf · #5 10-04-2006, 10:12 AM

John updates the web features of GC from time to time. Sororities update their "features" from time to time, too. It's part of having a good long-term strategic plan for success.

The AI forum was a good idea a few years ago. It's not a good idea now. GC and sororities have changed. That's another reason why the sorority women on GC have asked for the removal of this forum, and I think its a shame that this request isn't being honored.

I don't think that the mods should feel they have to meet every single request or interpret every possible complaint, but for what other reason does GC exist than for GC members? And if the sorority women have identified that there is a forum that is causing open discussion of membership selection processes that is not supposed to be discussed, I for one am disappointed that the mods have not reacted in a proactive way to delete this forum. The AI forum was a good idea a few years back. It's no longer viewed in the same way. Pre-AI membership shouldn't be discussed in this way. Once you are AI, you're our sister-- come on over to your sorority-specific forum and say hello.

Maybe the best thing for all of us to do is to just ignore this forum. The less traffic, the less interest.

tunatartare · #6 10-04-2006, 10:19 AM

I don't see why it's such a big deal. Every sorority has its own policy regarding AI and what can and can't be discussed regarding it, and where. While the officers of AB might not care that Patty PNAI found out about AI from GC, the officers of CDE, might, and would not even consider Patty unless she had a prior connection to CDE. I think it's our job to honor and respect the policies of other organizations, even if we don't agree with them. If that means not talking about AI for a specific organization because its officers don't want it discussed on GC, then so be it.

ReachTheLimit · #7 10-04-2006, 03:39 PM

I agree with adpicf that once you are initiated that you should probably stay in the forum with your GLO...that's understandable. I also agree with KLPDaisy, regarding that every sorority has it's own policies on what it wants openly discussed. If a national GLO has a policy about it, then it's members should follow that.

As a person in contact with a sorority as we speak regarding AI, I guess my concern is that the subject of AI getting shut down on GC by people that disagree with AI, and whether or not they really speak for the sorority as a whole.

33girl · #8 10-04-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

As a person in contact with a sorority as we speak regarding AI, I guess my concern is that the subject of AI getting shut down on GC by people that disagree with AI, and whether or not they really speak for the sorority as a whole.

If they would get "shut down" by postings on a message board, that's exactly the kind of member sororities do NOT want. Alumna or collegian, for that matter. I certainly wouldn't want to offer membership to someone who thinks everything I have to say is the same viewpoint everyone else in my sorority holds.

Tom Earp · #9 10-04-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by midwesterngirl

There have been a few national officers on this board who have asked that the information be limited. Unfortunately their concerns weren't taken very seriously by the former mod. That has been part of the problem from the beginning. Incorrect and unneeded information was being allowed to circulate and wasn't being stopped like it should have been. From there other problems arose and were blown totally out of proportion. I personally wish the forum to be deleted all together but if it isn't going to be,there needs to be a much much tighter reign on it.

If there is a disagreement here about this, then I will step in and say BS

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it. navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

Whether some Female GLOs do not want to publicize it, that is fine.

But it has been seen by many and of those who AIed into what ever Sororitys.

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice.

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes.

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!

Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

PenguinTrax · #10 10-04-2006, 04:47 PM

Tom,

Navane's original post was merged into the AI TOS announcement at the top of the forum. It wasn't deleted out of hand.

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navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

#11 10-04-2006, 04:48 PM

Anybody else feel like this thread has taken a turn for the ugly?

33girl · #12 10-04-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Look at how long it took some very fine ladies to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Exactly.

And some of those "very fine ladies" are the ones who want the forum DELETED, GONE, VANISHED.

SoCalGirl · #13 10-04-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice. WTF! Of course she would still have a voice if she (whoever you're speaking of) hadn't AI'd. Do you see anyone in this thread saying a woman's opinion doesn't count because she had AI'd or is currently a PNAM?

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future. AI didn't materialize from the sky in the last couple months. It's been around for an extremely long time. What's changed in recent time is that certain people have taken the position upon themselves to beat the drum and try to rally up PNAMs and blind support for AI.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it. Sorority shopping does not automatically mean a longer time to find a home. There are countless (maybe only 99) reasons why AI takes a long time and reading 26 webpages isn't one!

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes. TRUE...so why do we need a seperate forum for them?????

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!

Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so! YOU need to appologize! You keep stirring the pot that you claim to be so glad to be rid of.

I rarely post when I'm t'd off but you can't seem to grasp the concept that if you wish to support AI then you should be out rounding up MEN for your FRATERNITY and stay out of SORORITY affairs!

Jen · #14 10-04-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

If there is a disagreement here about this, then I will step in and say BS

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it. navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

Whether some Female GLOs do not want to publicize it, that is fine.

But it has been seen by many and of those who AIed into what ever Sororitys.

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice.

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes.

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!

Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

AI into a sorority = not your business

adpiucf · #15 10-04-2006, 05:11 PM

Tom, please stop inserting yourself into the AI sorority cause. If you are so passionate about AI, I encourage you to seek out Lambda Chi PNAI's.

As stated, we are not against the initiation of members as alumnae sisters. We are against a Greek Chat forum promoting Alumnae Initiation. AI is not recruitment, AI is not a new niche of membership that we are seeking to fill. It's a small aspect of sorority life and usually reserved for someone with a connection to a sorority. The ones who join through these means don't need GC to service their goal.

I again request this forum be deleted as the current climate of sorority AI is not in keeping with the open promotion of AI.

AI is not the wave of the future. Collegiate membership is, and will always be, the lifeblood of our organizations so long as we are members of the NPC.

Thank you.