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irishpipes · #1 10-02-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Is this alum. initiate thing very big at big Southern schools? I have to think most of the sorority girls I know would think it was really odd for an older, graduated, working woman to want to get initiated/join a sorority.

You are correct that a lot of people think it is weird.

#2 10-02-2006, 03:30 PM

When I was a NM, I knew about AI because it said that we did AI in my Frat Ed manual. I also knew about it because my chapter AI-ed women from my community when the chapter was installed.

However, after reading up on different chapters/orgs here, I know that not all people are aware that their GLO even did AI (if they even do). I don't know if the other NPCs has even addressed the issue to their members, but the Quarterly article Alphagamuga mentioned earlier pretty much explained to the Fraternity that a) yes, we have AI; and b) many AIs have gone on to do marvelous things for the Fraternity, even hold the office of International President.

aopirose · #3 10-02-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW

I don't know if the other NPCs has even addressed the issue to their members, but the Quarterly article Alphagamuga mentioned earlier pretty much explained to the Fraternity that a) yes, we have AI; and b) many AIs have gone on to do marvelous things for the Fraternity, even hold the office of International President.

AOII did a very nice article a few years ago too. I also agree that many of our AIs have gone on to do good work for the Fraternity. Like AGD, AOII has had an AI become International President.

I think that an AI can bring great value to an alumnae chapter. If a women has a close tie to the chapter and is around pretty much anyway for open events, why not invite her to join if she meets or exceeds the qualifications? AIs that have joined my AC were not looking to relive college days. That's not what our AC is about. We concentrate on our roles as active alumnae and being about AOII's business and developing freindships.

Currently, we have AIs of Alabama, Southeastern La., and one soon-to-be of Ole Miss.

ReachTheLimit · #4 10-04-2006, 08:48 AM

I'm curious about something, so I'll just throw it out there. If so many sororities don't want AI discussed on Greek Chat, then why doesn't someone from higher up in the individual GLO's not post on here from time to time making the wishes of the individual GLO known.

I'm only asking this b/c many having posted the GC is affecting AI policy of many sororities.

Any thoughts?

SoCalGirl · #5 10-04-2006, 09:03 AM

I don't know how far reaching the affect of GC really is on sorority AI procedures but most if not all the sororities (and fraternities) try to keep an eye on things here. The "higher ups" don't post here due to many reasons. (I'll take a stab that the #1 reason is to not to make GC a legit place to get membership info.) If it's important enough to be said they'll do it through their existing communications with members (newsletters, websites, etc).

midwesterngirl · #6 10-04-2006, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I'm curious about something, so I'll just throw it out there. If so many sororities don't want AI discussed on Greek Chat, then why doesn't someone from higher up in the individual GLO's not post on here from time to time making the wishes of the individual GLO known.

I'm only asking this b/c many having posted the GC is affecting AI policy of many sororities.

Any thoughts?

There have been a few national officers on this board who have asked that the information be limited. Unfortunately their concerns weren't taken very seriously by the former mod. That has been part of the problem from the beginning. Incorrect and unneeded information was being allowed to circulate and wasn't being stopped like it should have been. From there other problems arose and were blown totally out of proportion. I personally wish the forum to be deleted all together but if it isn't going to be,there needs to be a much much tighter reign on it.

SoCalGirl · #7 10-04-2006, 09:14 AM

So I just thought of an excellent reason that an AI forum isn't needed!

For all the lovely women who have successfully AI'd are FULL MEMBERS! They don't need a seperate forum. If they get to keep a seperate forum then we should also have one for NM/pledges.

adpiucf · #8 10-04-2006, 10:12 AM

John updates the web features of GC from time to time. Sororities update their "features" from time to time, too. It's part of having a good long-term strategic plan for success.

The AI forum was a good idea a few years ago. It's not a good idea now. GC and sororities have changed. That's another reason why the sorority women on GC have asked for the removal of this forum, and I think its a shame that this request isn't being honored.

I don't think that the mods should feel they have to meet every single request or interpret every possible complaint, but for what other reason does GC exist than for GC members? And if the sorority women have identified that there is a forum that is causing open discussion of membership selection processes that is not supposed to be discussed, I for one am disappointed that the mods have not reacted in a proactive way to delete this forum. The AI forum was a good idea a few years back. It's no longer viewed in the same way. Pre-AI membership shouldn't be discussed in this way. Once you are AI, you're our sister-- come on over to your sorority-specific forum and say hello.

Maybe the best thing for all of us to do is to just ignore this forum. The less traffic, the less interest.

Tom Earp · #9 10-04-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by midwesterngirl

There have been a few national officers on this board who have asked that the information be limited. Unfortunately their concerns weren't taken very seriously by the former mod. That has been part of the problem from the beginning. Incorrect and unneeded information was being allowed to circulate and wasn't being stopped like it should have been. From there other problems arose and were blown totally out of proportion. I personally wish the forum to be deleted all together but if it isn't going to be,there needs to be a much much tighter reign on it.

If there is a disagreement here about this, then I will step in and say BS

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it. navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

Whether some Female GLOs do not want to publicize it, that is fine.

But it has been seen by many and of those who AIed into what ever Sororitys.

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice.

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes.

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!

Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

PenguinTrax · #10 10-04-2006, 04:47 PM

Tom,

Navane's original post was merged into the AI TOS announcement at the top of the forum. It wasn't deleted out of hand.

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navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

#11 10-04-2006, 04:48 PM

Anybody else feel like this thread has taken a turn for the ugly?

33girl · #12 10-04-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Look at how long it took some very fine ladies to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Exactly.

And some of those "very fine ladies" are the ones who want the forum DELETED, GONE, VANISHED.

SoCalGirl · #13 10-04-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice. WTF! Of course she would still have a voice if she (whoever you're speaking of) hadn't AI'd. Do you see anyone in this thread saying a woman's opinion doesn't count because she had AI'd or is currently a PNAM?

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future. AI didn't materialize from the sky in the last couple months. It's been around for an extremely long time. What's changed in recent time is that certain people have taken the position upon themselves to beat the drum and try to rally up PNAMs and blind support for AI.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it. Sorority shopping does not automatically mean a longer time to find a home. There are countless (maybe only 99) reasons why AI takes a long time and reading 26 webpages isn't one!

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes. TRUE...so why do we need a seperate forum for them?????

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!

Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so! YOU need to appologize! You keep stirring the pot that you claim to be so glad to be rid of.

I rarely post when I'm t'd off but you can't seem to grasp the concept that if you wish to support AI then you should be out rounding up MEN for your FRATERNITY and stay out of SORORITY affairs!

Jen · #14 10-04-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

If there is a disagreement here about this, then I will step in and say BS

For your information, I worked my rear off on this thread when I was Mod and do not forget it. navan and I worked on this together and now Her Post was deleted which I find distastful for the choice.

Whether some Female GLOs do not want to publicize it, that is fine.

But it has been seen by many and of those who AIed into what ever Sororitys.

I think the statement that someone made above that many AIs are now against the thread are incorrect because I can think of only one who is adament about it and if it was not for AI, she would not even have a voice.

AIing is a fact of life now and will be more in the future.

Snide remarks about those that do AI as shopping and looking for the easy way out are very wrong. Look at how long it took some very fine ladys to AI who I am sure feel degraded by the way it has been bantered about and with all of the name calling to go along with it.

Are these AIed members second class, not hardly, are they full fledged members, yes.

Why do not some of You snarks appologize the Ladies who have AIed.

They desearve it!

Oh, from the former MOD who is glad I do not have to put up with the crap that the two new MODs are getting now and wrongfully so!

AI into a sorority = not your business

adpiucf · #15 10-04-2006, 05:11 PM

Tom, please stop inserting yourself into the AI sorority cause. If you are so passionate about AI, I encourage you to seek out Lambda Chi PNAI's.

As stated, we are not against the initiation of members as alumnae sisters. We are against a Greek Chat forum promoting Alumnae Initiation. AI is not recruitment, AI is not a new niche of membership that we are seeking to fill. It's a small aspect of sorority life and usually reserved for someone with a connection to a sorority. The ones who join through these means don't need GC to service their goal.

I again request this forum be deleted as the current climate of sorority AI is not in keeping with the open promotion of AI.

AI is not the wave of the future. Collegiate membership is, and will always be, the lifeblood of our organizations so long as we are members of the NPC.

Thank you.