Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

UGAalum94 · #1 09-30-2006, 01:00 AM

I don't know enough about different group policies about AI to say. I assume that members of those groups would know, and they would act accordingly.

Just as it seems rare in the rush forums for people to talk about how their groups do membership selection, I would think it would be rare for members to talk about the particulars of AI membership selection on Greek Chat.

It doesn't seem to me that Greek Chat is about information that is only available on Greek Chat. Nor does it seem to me that it's about trying to get super secret insider information. It seems to me that people look for advice and support from people who know more about the process than they do.

The only reason why I wouldn't expect to see AI forums on Greek Chat is that it seems relatively rare. But if people want to ask, and others want to answer, and their national policies don't prohibit answers, what's the problem?

UGAalum94 · #2 09-30-2006, 01:06 AM

It's surprising to me that folks seem to be making the case that if it's not on the National website it shouldn't be on Greek Chat. Is that the policy you want to see generally in place here?

(I don't think we ought to be advising people to do stuff in CONFLICT with national policy, but the standard of only discuss what's on the website is going to be really boring.)

AGDee · #3 09-30-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

It's surprising to me that folks seem to be making the case that if it's not on the National website it shouldn't be on Greek Chat. Is that the policy you want to see generally in place here?

(I don't think we ought to be advising people to do stuff in CONFLICT with national policy, but the standard of only discuss what's on the website is going to be really boring.)

I think it's safe to say that if you only find it on the "Members Only" portion of the web site, that it shouldn't be shared with non-members.

#4 09-30-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

I think it's safe to say that if you only find it on the "Members Only" portion of the web site, that it shouldn't be shared with non-members.

Put it this way, AI info isn't even on the Sisters Only side. It's not on the web, period. It can, however, be found in the Membership Handbook.

AGDee · #5 10-01-2006, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OTW

Put it this way, AI info isn't even on the Sisters Only side. It's not on the web, period. It can, however, be found in the Membership Handbook.

You're right, which is about the only handbook not available on the Sisters Only side of the web site, for good reason. That, along with Ritual information, are too sensitive for even the Sisters Only side of the web site.

UGAalum94 · #6 10-01-2006, 10:57 AM

Except for The Quartly article which explains that AI exists and outlines who is eligible which on the general site and is available to everyone, you're right.

#7 10-01-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Except for The Quartly article which explains that AI exists and outlines who is eligible which on the general site and is available to everyone, you're right.

The fact that even that general information is not on the website -- you have to dig through the Quarterly archives for it -- convinces me enough that it's something that JUST SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSED ONLINE.

That Quarterly article was written for the sisters, not for AI hopefuls. Can you imagine a PNAM coming up to a member, article in hand, saying, "according to this, I'm eligible for AI...sponsor me!" ?

BetteDavisEyes · #8 10-01-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW

Put it this way, AI info isn't even on the Sisters Only side. It's not on the web, period. It can, however, be found in the Membership Handbook.

That's how SK is. Info is nowhere on the website nor is it on the Sisters Only section. It's in the membership handbook. Membership handbooks are NOT something that every sister has either. Only the VPM has it during her time as VPM.

Taualumna · #9 09-30-2006, 01:23 AM

Some (well, mine, anyway) groups announce new AIs in their quarterly newsletters/magazines. The newsletter/magazine isn't part of ritual and many groups have it available online for just about anyone to read. This means that anyone can potentially find out about AI. And if a PNAM is interested, she might just contact the group herself. Different people find their groups differently. While I don't agree with helping people via the Internet if we aren't ever going to meet them, I don't think people should be criticized because they CONTACTED a group on their own rather than have been APPROACHED.

sigmadiva · #10 09-30-2006, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Taualumna

Some (well, mine, anyway) groups announce new AIs in their quarterly newsletters/magazines. The newsletter/magazine isn't part of ritual and many groups have it available online for just about anyone to read. This means that anyone can potentially find out about AI. And if a PNAM is interested, she might just contact the group herself. Different people find their groups differently. While I don't agree with helping people via the Internet if we aren't ever going to meet them, I don't think people should be criticized because they CONTACTED a group on their own rather than have been APPROACHED.

Again, I am a NPC outsider, but here is how I've been reading this issue.

I think someone stated in this thread, or another one of the current AI threads that AI info should only be discussed, if at all, in that specific GLO's forum. I think part of the confusion here is that with so many groups who have different AI processes, it is hard to lump answers / issues into one general forum. While it may be perfectly acceptable for your group, for example, to have a PNAM contact the org on her own, that same act might be considered a big no-no for another group. I think what some are saying is that you can not give out general information since at the AI level it is very org specific on how to go about joining.

I think a lot of NPC ladies on here want to discourage a situation like this: 'Oh yeah, just give ABC a call and if they don't get back to you, then just keep calling down the NPC list. You'll get in somewhere.' I think this is the 'smoke blowing' people are referring to.

SmartBlondeGPhB · #11 09-30-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

It's surprising to me that folks seem to be making the case that if it's not on the National website it shouldn't be on Greek Chat. Is that the policy you want to see generally in place here?

When it comes to what our groups do and don't do HELL YES policy should NOT be on Greekchat. It is no one else's business but the women in THAT group.

If it's not something that my IH supports, I certainly don't want it showing up on an internet chat board (and I'm SURE they don't) saying the contrary.

Why would you EVER think that something not on your IH's website should be advertised on a chat board?

valkyrie · #12 09-30-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

Why would you EVER think that something not on your IH's website should be advertised on a chat board?

For real. My organization doesn't have anything about AI on the public website. It is beyond me why there should be anything about it on GC -- and there is. Why?

Tom Earp · #13 09-30-2006, 03:32 PM

Do You have any AI members on GC? That may be why?

valkyrie · #14 09-30-2006, 05:39 PM

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Do You have any AI members on GC? That may be why?

How is that relevant?

I have yet to see any AIs of my organization advocating in favor of providing any AI information about us here on GC.

UGAalum94 · #15 09-30-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

When it comes to what our groups do and don't do HELL YES policy should NOT be on Greekchat. It is no one else's business but the women in THAT group.

If it's not something that my IH supports, I certainly don't want it showing up on an internet chat board (and I'm SURE they don't) saying the contrary.

Why would you EVER think that something not on your IH's website should be advertised on a chat board?

THINK for a minute about EVERYTHING that's not on your National webpage that you're probably discussed here, and then get back to me.

I'm not advocating posting secret information; I'm pointing out that there are many things that people want to discuss that aren't on the IHQ website. Rush dates, quota at different chapters, living arrangements at different campuses, etc.

To assume that because something isn't on the website, it's secret or ritual is a faulty assumption.

Again, I'm not asking people to go against their national policies: I'm just saying A) that because your group doesn't like it doesn't mean that everyone is obligated to ignore the issue and B) that holding out "only what's on the IHQ website" as the standard of what can be discussed on GreekChat is going to be pretty problematic.