Agree with this.

PenguinTrax · #1 09-28-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

I wanted a record of everyone's thoughts on the matter, that's all. People can read them, then decide if they want to post.

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Originally Posted by Tippiechick

I don't understand the goal of the pro and con threads. What good does it do to have people proclaim themselves to be pro or con ai? And, why do we have to separate the two into separate threads that cannot co-exist? This is the exact point of my threads. Debate is frowned upon. Why aren't people allowed to debate the issue? Why do we have to segregate them?

See my quote above.

Tippiechick · #2 09-28-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

See my quote above.

So, you're just wanting a roll call of posters? What purpose does that serve other than to pre-judge the validity of a poster's views?

valkyrie · #3 09-28-2006, 11:12 PM

It's asking the wrong question. It's like saying "are you pro or con abortion?" Whether you support a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses is a completely different question from whether you are pro or con abortion -- you can be completely opposed to abortion but still support another woman's right to have one.

PenguinTrax · #4 09-28-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie

It's asking the wrong question. It's like saying "are you pro or con abortion?" Whether you support a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses is a completely different question from whether you are pro or con abortion -- you can be completely opposed to abortion but still support another woman's right to have one.

then post in both threads. Some folks already have.

PenguinTrax · #5 09-28-2006, 11:15 PM

I don't think it pre-judges anything. The people posting to these threads are already on record as being for or against AI. All someone has to do is read through the postings on GC to find out that information. I'm just putting in all in one place for everyone to see.

Tippiechick · #6 09-28-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

I don't think it pre-judges anything. The people posting to these threads are already on record as being for or against AI. All someone has to do is read through the postings on GC to find out that information. I'm just putting in all in one place for everyone to see.

Why does anyone care whether or not someone is pro-AI or con-AI unless they are using it in the context of determining the validity of the post? Why do we need a thread stating our opinion on the subject? Why not allow discussion on the topic? That's the point.

PenguinTrax · #7 09-28-2006, 11:22 PM

There is no 'valid' or 'invallid' argument. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. That is the only point.

You want to go ahead and start a thread to argue the point of pro vs con? Go ahead. As long as it doesn't get personal, the thread will stay put.

tunatartare · #8 09-28-2006, 11:27 PM

Barbara, you're missing the point here. With all of the recent thread deletions going on here, people are starting to feel like we can't disagree with anyone on anything or else our posts will be deleted. You may think that you are encouraging us to express our opinions, but by creating two separate threads that basically just serve as a roll-call, you are only sending out the message that opposing opinions are inappropriate or aren't tolerated.

Buttonz · #9 09-28-2006, 11:42 PM

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Barbara, you're missing the point here. With all of the recent thread deletions going on here, people are starting to feel like we can't disagree with anyone on anything or else our posts will be deleted. You may think that you are encouraging us to express our opinions, but by creating two separate threads that basically just serve as a roll-call, you are only sending out the message that opposing opinions are inappropriate or aren't tolerated.

Agreed 100%

Tippiechick · #10 09-28-2006, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

There is no 'valid' or 'invallid' argument. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. That is the only point.

You want to go ahead and start a thread to argue the point of pro vs con? Go ahead. As long as it doesn't get personal, the thread will stay put.

Tell that to your favorite poster. Seems like the personal attacks come whenever someone disagrees with her.

tunatartare · #11 09-28-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Tell that to your favorite poster. Seems like the personal attacks come whenever someone disagrees with her.

Please see my post in the recently deleted threads thread regarding that.

PenguinTrax · #12 09-28-2006, 11:32 PM

I don't play favorites, never have, never will. Same rules are applied across the board. Your opinion differs and I know and respect that difference.

SmartBlondeGPhB · #13 09-29-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

There is no 'valid' or 'invallid' argument. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. That is the only point.

You want to go ahead and start a thread to argue the point of pro vs con? Go ahead. As long as it doesn't get personal, the thread will stay put.

So the solution is to just make it personal so the whole trainwreck goes away............

PenguinTrax · #14 09-29-2006, 12:22 PM

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So the solution is to just make it personal so the whole trainwreck goes away............

Make what personal?

valkyrie · #15 09-29-2006, 12:23 PM

I still want to understand the point of the pro/con threads. Is it just a roll call attempting to categorize opinions, which I think is futile because opinions on an issue like this are fluid and cannot easily be categorized? If there are more people posting in favor of con than pro, will this forum go away -- or if there are more pro than con posts, will this forum stay? What is the purpose?