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[GAC3710]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

No disrespect, but a lot of what you post seems like conspiracy theory. I remember during "Bigger & Blacker" Chris Rock jokingly made the same argument as you about how big companies will never come up with a cure because there was no money in it that. If that’s the case then why is every big pharmaceutical company spending in the billions to research and come up with the cure?? I can ashore you that at the least in the short run a vaccine for AID's would make a lot more money then just meds. Also look at the fact that if they do come up with a vaccine more then likely it would be short supplied anyway (such as penicillin). Even if that wasn't the case you sometimes have to realize that not everything is about money. If a company would do something such as that it would be looked down on as extremely unethical. The people who run these researches are people just like you and me, and best believe a lot of folks have all this money invested because they hope on saving themselves or a loved one. I can see people withholding a vaccine for some things, but one for AID's would be hard to withhold especially since it's something everybody seems to be looking for. Can you even imagine what the reproductions would be if someone was caught withholding a vaccine for HIV??? That would be the scandal of the century.

It was funny when Chris Rock made a joke stating they would never cure AID's, but that was a joke and nothing more

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by GAC3710

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

I'm really not sure what to think -- but I wouldn't be shocked if at least some of this is true.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by GAC3710

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

fyi, there's a vaccine for herpes that is still in Stage III of clinical trials. Other than that I don't know if what you are saying it true, but nothing surprises me these days.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

fyi, there's a vaccine for herpes that is still in Stage III of clinical trials. Other than that I don't know if what you are saying it true, but nothing surprises me these days.

I'm going to ditto that. They were testing it at my University (their med school research dept that is.)

And as for curing cancer... do you know how hard it is to get the body to kill it's own cells gone mad? Cancer is not an external disease (HPV is one of the rare exceptions where a virus is directly linked to cancer) You get cancer because the toxins in, say, cigarettes, cause your body's cells to malfunction.

Alzheimers appears to work similarly. It's a malfunction of your own brain cells. Organic diseases like this are much more difficult to deal with than ones caused by bacteria, virii, or fungi.

And if you not knowing a member of the military who suffers from colds is not statistically significant. Show me a study that says military personnel suffer from fewer colds and we can start talking.

/of course, THAT is covered up too I'm sure.

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by GAC3710

Conspiracy theory my ass. Do you honestly think that HIV/AIDS came from blacks having sex with monkeys and that despite all the technological advances we have made we still cannot cure Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Alzheimers or any other these so called "incurable" ailments. Do you not find it odd that despite a recent vaccine for HPV we still cannot get rid of herpes? Have you ever noticed that people in the military never get HIV/AIDS or the common cold? They do have this thing called the inoculation (sp?) shot that you must sign for and they will not tell you what it does nor what is in it. It is not a conspiracy it is a reality. The world is a vampire and ruled by the dollar. Big businesses do not think in the short term sense as you mentioned. They are big because they have been there for a long time, so they think long term because they are not going anywhere. The military industrial complex aside, the pharmaceutical sector makes more money than any other part of just about every major industrialized nation's economy. When you understand that maybe then you will see how "Big Pharma" is in big with the Government and realize the truth.

If it's not a big conspiracy theory then why isn't the media getting on this one?? Why haven't I even heard this stated as a theory in my Natural Resources class??

What you have to realize is that man didn't create the world; man doesn't have all the answers. Diseases have plagued life since the beginning of time, and no matter how far man advances there will always be a killer disease out there. Be it the Cold, small pox, the black plague, AIDS. Hopefully one day in my time we will have found the cure for AIDS, but even today you don't even see the rare case where somebody has been cured for AIDS and they cant replicate that finding, therefore I can only look at your theory as a conspiracy theory.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

Why haven't I even heard this stated as a theory in my Natural Resources class??

So if it's not in your Natural Resources class it's not true? This is SO proof of the theory that there's nothing more dangerous than someone with a little bit of information.

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

So if it's not in your Natural Resources class it's not true? This is SO proof of the theory that there's nothing more dangerous than someone with a little bit of information.

Ok to state it bluntly.

Bullshit!!!

If I'm wrong then why don't you get me some solid resources. (IE MSNBC, BBC world) NY Times ect.)

[valkyrie]

Why would theories related to the pharmaceutical industry be discussed in a natural resources class?

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Why would theories related to the pharmaceutical industry be discussed in a natural resources class?

Not that it ever was, but why would you ask such a question on such a extensive subject??

Originally Posted by OtterXO

Why is it bullshit? Even though it's called "Natural Resources" that doesn't mean it's the resource for all information on this topic. I never said you were wrong, but don't cite your class as being the reason he's wrong.

As stated before, but I see you've ignored that part of my post. Please, if it's BS then prove me wrong with a reliable source. One that doesn't talk about UFO'scoming down to earth and raping cows.

Honestly I think it's very sad that somebody hasn't backed me up on this. I'd expect to see this conversation on the X-files.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

As stated before, but I see you've ignored that part of my post. Please, if it's BS then prove me wrong with a reliable source. One that doesn't talk about UFO'scoming down to earth and raping cows.

Honestly I think it's very sad that somebody hasn't backed me up on this. I'd expect to see this conversation on the X-files.

So the X-files is a reliable source...as well as your Natural Resources class. And if it's not discussed in your Natural Resources class, then it doesn't exist until someone proves it does by citing C-SPAN??? Ok, I understand now.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

So the X-files is a reliable source...as well as your Natural Resources class. And if it's not discussed in your Natural Resources class, then it doesn't exist until someone proves it does by citing C-SPAN??? Ok, I understand now.

I think I found something that could fix it.

From the UWSP course catalog...

PHIL 121. Critical Thinking. 3 cr. Fundamental principles of reasoning; recognition, analysis, and evaluation of arguments; selection and testing of hypotheses. GDR:HU3

Perhaps Langox510x should enroll himself in this class.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

Not that it ever was, but why would you ask such a question on such a extensive subject??

As stated before, but I see you've ignored that part of my post. Please, if it's BS then prove me wrong with a reliable source. One that doesn't talk about UFO'scoming down to earth and raping cows.

Honestly I think it's very sad that somebody hasn't backed me up on this. I'd expect to see this conversation on the X-files.

Seriously dude. I didn't ignore anything. All of us are merely pointing out that citing your Natural Resouces class as the source of all information on this topic is a little sketchy. I'm not even DISAGREEING WITH YOU. Personally, I don't know enough on the topic to have much of an opinion either way....like I said 20 posts ago.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

All of us are merely pointing out that citing your Natural Resouces class as the source of all information on this topic is a little sketchy.

I don't even have a problem with him stating "This is what we discussed in my Natural Resources class...", it's the fact that he tried to use the inverse and say "Well, since we never discussed this, it couldn't have possibly happened...". I took a Marine Geology class, and we never discussed the fact that water was wet, but I'm pretty sure that it is, despite never having covered that in the Marine Geology class.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Langox510x

Not that it ever was, but why would you ask such a question on such a extensive subject??

Whatever you discussed or did not discuss in your natural resources class (hopefully, you can find a way to mention the fact that you are, in fact, taking a natural resources class in your response, for those who missed it the first 900 times) is irrelevant to any potential conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry.

Your "argument" in this thread seems to involve telling everyone to prove you wrong -- although I'm not even sure what statement you made that you want people to attempt to prove wrong. You said you've heard nothing about a pharmaceutical conspiracy in your natural resources class (hey guys, he's in a natural resources class, if you didn't catch that earlier). Then you say if it's bullshit prove me wrong with sources. If what is bullshit? That you didn't hear about it in your natural resources class?

Even if you did make some type of substantive statement, making an unsupported statement and telling everyone to prove you wrong is not an effective strategy on your part, and I can't imagine why anybody would entertain your requests.

[Langox510x]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Whatever you discussed or did not discuss in your natural resources class (hopefully, you can find a way to mention the fact that you are, in fact, taking a natural resources class in your response, for those who missed it the first 900 times) is irrelevant to any potential conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry.

Your "argument" in this thread seems to involve telling everyone to prove you wrong -- although I'm not even sure what statement you made that you want people to attempt to prove wrong. You said you've heard nothing about a pharmaceutical conspiracy in your natural resources class (hey guys, he's in a natural resources class, if you didn't catch that earlier). Then you say if it's bullshit prove me wrong with sources. If what is bullshit? That you didn't hear about it in your natural resources class?

Even if you did make some type of substantive statement, making an unsupported statement and telling everyone to prove you wrong is not an effective strategy on your part, and I can't imagine why anybody would entertain your requests.

Scroll back and read about how AIDS has supposedly been cured, but the Pharmaceutical companies are unethically holding the cure back to make money.

Now all I’m kindly asking is where this myth was fabricated. (Source)