School Daze question.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Does WGLO not imply NPC (however wrong the implication)? My group is NPC and therefore is included in the reference.

There are a whole lot of NPC and IFC organizations--as well as members who either consciously or subconsciously consider their organizations WGLOs.

Stop attaching everything to you and yours if it doesn't apply.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

It's true that some Southern Fraternities probably DO cater to white men, etc. But just because a few do, does not mean that the rest of us want to be associated with that kind of mentality.

Trust that there are way more than "a few" IFC and NPC organizations across the country who cater to white people.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Does WGLO not imply NPC (however wrong the implication)? My group is NPC and therefore is included in the reference.

I don't think we were talking about YOUR group.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Ok for the people who actually watched school days and can remember. A chapter of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity stepped in the step show on that movie. they all had the retro high top fades that leaned to the side. I thought it was funny.

DSTCHAOS, you know better than that.

[shinerbock]

Lets look at this honestly. When you call your people Nupes and put on step shows, I really don't think you're reaching out to whites, you're just doing what you like, and inviting other like minded people to do the same.

When our outings involve golf, skeet shoots, Robert Earl Keen concerts and 80's cover bands, I really don't think black folks are generally like "hell yeah let me get on that." We don't do those things because we're recruiting white people or trying to keep blacks out, we do them because thats the kinda stuff we like. Holy crap people on this site are ridiculous.

[macallan25]

agreed........and thats "skeet" as in clay pigeons/sporting clays..........not "skeet" as in Lil' John songs.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This what some of us have been saying for yeeeeears. One thing I can say about you two is that you definitely are honest.

I agree. They sure are.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

Ok for the people who actually watched school days and can remember. A chapter of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity stepped in the step show on that movie. they all had the retro high top fades that leaned to the side. I thought it was funny.

DSTCHAOS, you know better than that.

I've never paid attention to Krappas, but I do remember some dudes with retro high top fades that leaned to the side (gumbis???).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by macallan25

agreed........and thats "skeet" as in clay pigeons/sporting clays..........not "skeet" as in Lil' John songs.

LOL...someone will be offended that you thought you needed to clarify that...LOL.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Lets look at this honestly. When you call your people Nupes and put on step shows, I really don't think you're reaching out to whites, you're just doing what you like, and inviting other like minded people to do the same.

No need to use the Nupes as example. BGLO members don't deny our primary focus and most of us aren't offended by acronyms/references such as HBCU, BGLO, MCGLO, PWI, HWGLO, etc.
It's some whites who are offended by acronyms/references like PWI and (H)WGLO.

It isn't just what we like and seeking like minded people, we generally are intentional in advancing the black community and being historically and predominantly black and African diasporic organizations. However, we are not limited to servicing the black community and seeking black and African diasporic people. Even still, many BGLO chapters do not gear their programs toward attracting a wider range of people. Thus, we end up being exclusionary anyway.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

When our outings involve golf, skeet shoots, Robert Earl Keen concerts and 80's cover bands, I really don't think black folks are generally like "hell yeah let me get on that." We don't do those things because we're recruiting white people or trying to keep blacks out, we do them because thats the kinda stuff we like. Holy crap people on this site are ridiculous.

Well, generally speaking, you all know that those activities are most likely to attract white people. Some organizations intentionally exclude others by saying "if we do this, other races won't come so let's keep it exclusive" and other organizations simply understand that exclusion is a trickle down effect "it's fine if blacks come b/c we don't discriminate but we know that skeet shoots are likely to attract whites than blacks so let's continue doing stuff that WE like to do."

From the surface, there's no harm and no foul. Below the surface, being exclusive means that others aren't able to network with you all and receive whatever benefits of association there are. That's life but it can have negative outcomes (just like the exclusiveness of BGLOs can).

[shinerbock]

I only used nupes because thats a black glo term I don't understand, and most white people probably wouldnt.

Regarding wglo activities, I understand what you're saying, but I dare say nobody in my fraternity started doing those things because they exclude blacks. We do them because we enjoy them, and thus we continue to do them and recruit people with similar interests. About exclusivity, I'm glad we're exclusive, thats the point. If you wanted everyone to be in the organization, we'd have started a facebook group instead of a fraternity.

[DSTCHAOS]

You and I really don't disagree on this topic so I'll just clarify some points:

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I only used nupes because thats a black glo term I don't understand, and most white people probably wouldnt.

LOL...I'm just telling you that you don't need to plead that case with most Black Greeks. Many if not most of "us" already agree with the premise of your argument.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Regarding wglo activities, I understand what you're saying, but I dare say nobody in my fraternity started doing those things because they exclude blacks. We do them because we enjoy them, and thus we continue to do them and recruit people with similar interests. About exclusivity, I'm glad we're exclusive, thats the point. If you wanted everyone to be in the organization, we'd have started a facebook group instead of a fraternity.

Your fraternity was founded during a time when racial intolerance, discrimination, and overall exclusion were overt on a societal level. Dare I pretend as if excluding anything but a certain TYPE of white male wasn't an objective at one point.

Why SOME chapters of your fraternity do those things now might be a different story. Either way it is an exclusionary tactic, subconsciously for some and consciously for others. Not just race but social class and other markers.

I never said exclusion was inherently a bad thing. I'm glad my sorority has certain exclusionary methods in place, as well. It's the "why, how, and at what/whose expense" that CAN (note: CAN) make exclusion a negative---that's all I'm saying.

[bows&toes]

I don't think wglos do these things to exclude blacks, we do them because we enjoy doing it. If we want to exclude blacks, we just don't give them a bid, it's that easy.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Lets look at this honestly. When you call your people Nupes and put on step shows, I really don't think you're reaching out to whites, you're just doing what you like, and inviting other like minded people to do the same.

When our outings involve golf, skeet shoots, Robert Earl Keen concerts and 80's cover bands, I really don't think black folks are generally like "hell yeah let me get on that." We don't do those things because we're recruiting white people or trying to keep blacks out, we do them because thats the kinda stuff we like. Holy crap people on this site are ridiculous.

I guess to each region it's own. In Miami, when Mansion has Nupe Night. It's always a probominately white turnout. So I don't know what ur talking about. I've heard of white ppl call themselves weirder things. So bad example.

By the way I love skeet shoots...I can't hit a damn thing!