Underage vs DUI; Emory's dilemma

macallan25 · #1 09-20-2006, 01:24 PM

When did I say anything bout throwing my weight around? I don't think yelling at a police officer, wrestling with him, and involving a handgun is even close to calling someone with some "pull" as a way to avoid getting in trouble.

jon1856 · #2 09-20-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

When did I say anything bout throwing my weight around? I don't think yelling at a police officer, wrestling with him, and involving a handgun is even close to calling someone with some "pull" as a way to avoid getting in trouble.

Your making a call was throwing weight/connections around.

Your phone call caused someone to "throw their weight around".
Or rather as a result of your phone call, someone throw their weight around.

Thought of two other question for you:
1) Do you remember the “beat cop”/patrol officer that you dropped the dime on? It would not surprise me if he remembers you. And in a few years, he will have gone through a few promotions and will be a “boss”. What happens if he gets involve when you get pulled over again?

2) A few years from now, another 17, 19, or 21 year old driver gets pulled over and also gets a wave by because he too knows someone. He continues driving and has an accident that he walks away from. But two others are dead. Your wife, your child. How would you feel then about wave bys?

macallan25 · #3 09-20-2006, 04:01 PM

You are taking this way to seriously. Calm Down. Me making a phone call to an attorney, judge, county sheriff, etc. isn't the same as yelling at an officer and trying to beat him up. That story you posted has no relevance.

1.) What do you mean if he "gets involved" again? Great...he's still a cop, only a cop that got promoted to a different rank. Big deal. I don't think getting promoted through the ranks is going to give him anymore kind of "pull." Unless he magically becomes a well connected high-end figure in the city....which I highly doubt. To be honest, it won't really matter in a few years........while i'm in college, its nice to have people you can call to stay out of trouble.......however, when I am off on my own i'll take care of myself and take all the responsibility.

2.) I don't know what a "wave by" is. I'm not talking about getting out of DWI's, DUI's, etc. and just having the officer let me go. I figured you would be intelligent enough to realize that. Obviously if I get pulled over and i'm slobbering drunk, there isn't much I can do about it right then. But for routine traffic stops, PI's and other traffic misdemeanors....knowing people comes in handy.

Tom Earp · #4 09-20-2006, 04:45 PM

LOL, whether you did not slap a Officer in the face, it is still a slap in the face to have someone bring him into an office and give a ream job as it were.

No Officer likes that.

They do have ooh so long memories and pay backs can be even tougher if one screws up again.

Most will give a break if one is kind to them.

But, there are some departments who will have dicks who ride around, have badges and carry weapons. Then again, there are just dick departments.

Been there done it and did it!

Emory still screwed up in my estimation!

jon1856 · #5 09-20-2006, 08:02 PM

Tom;
I had a nice conversation tonight with a friend with over 20 years experience in Law Enforcement. They too have heard it, seen it, been there and done it. Told me point blank that if a superior officer tells a patrol officer to “stand down” or let a person go due to personal matters:
Senior/ Superior officer is in violation of SOP’s, laws et al.
It is then at the discretion of the patrol officer on how to handle: let them go or follow patrol guide. If they follow patrol guide, next few days could be rather interesting. If Senior Officer supports PO’s actions, nothing happens. If they do not support their own officer, then there could be a “war” involving unions, major politicians, and of course the media.

Also had a rather good laugh over why anyone would waste a call on “routine traffic stops, PI's and other traffic misdemeanors”.

But they also confirmed that 21 is 21 is 21. In other words, a person at 21 is fully responsible for their actions. Being in College or being financially supported by family is not any excuse or exemption to law.

I could always get a Federal option on this mater from a member of the Federal Circuit Appeals Court but just had dinner with them a few weeks ago and do not see any reason to call them on this. Perhaps next dinner.

macallan25 · #6 09-20-2006, 08:57 PM

Well, you have taken this to the ridiculous......

For MIPs, MIC, PI's, posession, DUI.......yeah its great to be connected with people that can keep you from getting a ticket, going to jail for a night, etc.etc. What else would I use it for? I'm sorry you "got a good laugh out of that." Maybe I should go rob a bank or shoot someone...would that be a better time to "make a call."

Who is "they"? I'm well aware that at 21 you are legally responsible for everything. I said that while I am in college.....i'll use whatever resources I can to alleviate situations if they come about. I actually think I wrote that twice. Try reading next time.

Sorry, but i'm not talking about a superior officer telling a patrolman to do something. I didn't say that at all. I thought that was clear. I'm mainly talking about attorneys and judges whom are very close family friends, have alot of pull and influence in the city, and can easily "take care" of tickets, fines, things going on records, etc. etc.

And what is this "option" that you would be getting from someone on the Federal Appeals Court??? I have no idea what you are talking about with this....but it really doesn't matter . What would you be calling him on?

jon1856 · #7 09-20-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Well, you have taken this to the ridiculous......

For MIPs, MIC, PI's, posession, DUI.......yeah its great to be connected with people that can keep you from getting a ticket, going to jail for a night, etc.etc. What else would I use it for? I'm sorry you "got a good laugh out of that." Maybe I should go rob a bank or shoot someone...would that be a better time to "make a call."

Who is "they"? I'm well aware that at 21 you are legally responsible for everything. I said that while I am in college.....i'll use whatever resources I can to alleviate situations if they come about. I actually think I wrote that twice. Try reading next time.

Sorry, but i'm not talking about a superior officer telling a patrolman to do something. I didn't say that at all. I thought that was clear. I'm mainly talking about attorneys and judges whom are very close family friends, have alot of pull and influence in the city, and can easily "take care" of tickets, fines, things going on records, etc. etc.

And what is this "option" that you would be getting from someone on the Federal Appeals Court??? I have no idea what you are talking about with this....but it really doesn't matter . What would you be calling him on?

IIRC you posted a comment about your County Sheriff-that is where my comment about a superior officer came from.
And "they" are just who I explained them to be. Read.
You posted that you have regular dinner and golf dates with your family contacts. We all do. Sometimes they are our peers.

And it now seems that rather than one call, which you posted as a true story, you seem to make many. Long story short-just when does a man make a stand for himself? When does a man learn that one should either take responcibility for their actions or change their actions?
You seem to believe that being in college is different that being anywhere else. That my be your POV but you are still 21 and an adult.

My comment about the Fed was just slightly tounge in cheek.