Underage vs DUI; Emory's dilemma

macallan25 · #1 09-20-2006, 08:57 PM

Well, you have taken this to the ridiculous......

For MIPs, MIC, PI's, posession, DUI.......yeah its great to be connected with people that can keep you from getting a ticket, going to jail for a night, etc.etc. What else would I use it for? I'm sorry you "got a good laugh out of that." Maybe I should go rob a bank or shoot someone...would that be a better time to "make a call."

Who is "they"? I'm well aware that at 21 you are legally responsible for everything. I said that while I am in college.....i'll use whatever resources I can to alleviate situations if they come about. I actually think I wrote that twice. Try reading next time.

Sorry, but i'm not talking about a superior officer telling a patrolman to do something. I didn't say that at all. I thought that was clear. I'm mainly talking about attorneys and judges whom are very close family friends, have alot of pull and influence in the city, and can easily "take care" of tickets, fines, things going on records, etc. etc.

And what is this "option" that you would be getting from someone on the Federal Appeals Court??? I have no idea what you are talking about with this....but it really doesn't matter . What would you be calling him on?

jon1856 · #2 09-20-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Well, you have taken this to the ridiculous......

For MIPs, MIC, PI's, posession, DUI.......yeah its great to be connected with people that can keep you from getting a ticket, going to jail for a night, etc.etc. What else would I use it for? I'm sorry you "got a good laugh out of that." Maybe I should go rob a bank or shoot someone...would that be a better time to "make a call."

Who is "they"? I'm well aware that at 21 you are legally responsible for everything. I said that while I am in college.....i'll use whatever resources I can to alleviate situations if they come about. I actually think I wrote that twice. Try reading next time.

Sorry, but i'm not talking about a superior officer telling a patrolman to do something. I didn't say that at all. I thought that was clear. I'm mainly talking about attorneys and judges whom are very close family friends, have alot of pull and influence in the city, and can easily "take care" of tickets, fines, things going on records, etc. etc.

And what is this "option" that you would be getting from someone on the Federal Appeals Court??? I have no idea what you are talking about with this....but it really doesn't matter . What would you be calling him on?

IIRC you posted a comment about your County Sheriff-that is where my comment about a superior officer came from.
And "they" are just who I explained them to be. Read.
You posted that you have regular dinner and golf dates with your family contacts. We all do. Sometimes they are our peers.

And it now seems that rather than one call, which you posted as a true story, you seem to make many. Long story short-just when does a man make a stand for himself? When does a man learn that one should either take responcibility for their actions or change their actions?
You seem to believe that being in college is different that being anywhere else. That my be your POV but you are still 21 and an adult.

My comment about the Fed was just slightly tounge in cheek.

macallan25 · #3 09-21-2006, 01:35 AM

The Sheriff is a long time friend and was the president of the Sherriff's association of Texas a couple years ago. They really don't have much to do with the regular police department....

When did I say that I have made many calls? I don't think I did. I just stated those things as examples of a situation that could be taken care of with knowing the right people....it doesn't mean I have been involved in all of them.

Being in college IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than being anywhere else. Are you kidding me?? I don't really understand how one could disagree with this....at all. Explain to me how it is not different? Please do.

SydneyK · #4 09-21-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Being in college IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than being anywhere else. Are you kidding me?? I don't really understand how one could disagree with this....at all. Explain to me how it is not different? Please do.

I was hoping to keep from adding to the hijack, but I just can't keep biting my tongue...

Since you haven't provided an argument for why being in college prevents you from being accountable, I have to wonder what your logic is in the above quote. As far as I can tell, there is no logic there.

Why is being in college different from being a productive member of the community? The way I see it, college is the time when, in addition to developing academically, young adults learn how to maneuver within the real world. Part of this learning process involves accepting responsibility for wrong-doings. If, throughout your college career, your method of accepting such responsibility is simply to call daddy and get him to pull his strings, then how in the world are you going to know what to do once you get out on your own? Maybe spending the night in jail is what you need to learn your lesson. You'd think that a man as intelligent as your well-connected father is would recognize that. Unless of course, his daddy pulled strings to keep him out of (justified) "trouble".

I'm with jon1856 on this one. 21 is 21 is 21. It doesn't matter whether you're a 21 year old college student, a 21 year old high school dropout, a 21 year old business executive, or a 21 year old tobacco warehouse clerk. If you're 21 you're an adult. Being an adult means being accountable. Thus, since your age dictates that you are legally an adult, your actual station in life is irrelevant. You, and not your daddy, are accountable for your wrong-doings.

In an attempt to get this discussion back on topic, again, I think Emory had every right to pull the bus. Sure, I would've made a different decision (based on what information I have in this case), but that doesn't really matter. And, I still stand by my earlier claim that the title of this thread suggests a false dilemma. Just because Emory is no longer sponsoring a bus (due to fears that underage students will drink) does not mean that it is subjecting its students to DUI.

macallan25 · #5 09-21-2006, 02:42 PM

I never said it prevented me from being accountable. Find where I said this. I said its nice knowing people, while in college, who can help out if you get in trouble, keep you from going to jail, keep things from getting on your record.

If I screwed up bad enough, I can promise you its going to be all on me and i'll have to deal with it....but for minor things I really don't see the problem in taking advantage of who you know.

I realize that 21 is the legal age for being considered an adult. Thanks, that is I believe the 5th time i've heard that. However, I believe that while you are in college, it is completely different than being on your own in the normal business world. Most people I know, including me, are supported by their parents, get money from their parents, are still on their parent's insurance, etc. etc. etc. So yeah, I think there is a big difference all together.

SydneyK · #6 09-22-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

If I screwed up bad enough, I can promise you its going to be all on me and i'll have to deal with it....but for minor things I really don't see the problem in taking advantage of who you know.

I realize that trying to convince you you're wrong is like talking to a wall. But, most responsible adults don't consider a DUI a "minor thing".

macallan25 · #7 09-22-2006, 10:55 AM

Thanks.