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09-16-2006, 03:10 PM
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They shouldn't be cops if they do stuff like that.
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They have these saferide vans in Norman, OK (where Oklahoma U is). It is not unheard of for the cops to pull over a saferid van and arrest the passengers for public intox.
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09-16-2006, 04:02 PM
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Why not?
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09-16-2006, 07:02 PM
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Simply because if the van/bus driver has done nothing wrong, then they have no probable cause for stopping said vehicle!
No search warrent then have not right to check the passengers unless the passengers got rowdy and cause problems.
Kevin, you want to field this as a up and coming Laywer?
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09-17-2006, 07:26 PM
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If the Bus was taking the students to a Restaurant, and the Restaurant has the license to sell alcohol and the Restaurant is where it is purchased and consumed, then I fail to see where the school nor the SGA is responsible. The restaurant is responsible for the ID checking, etc. Not the person or entity (such as a school) that brought them there.
If you took an underage roommate to the bar, and they got served, and then the roommate left...who is going to get the citation from the ABC board? The bar, not the person that brought them there.
The school made a stupid call.
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09-17-2006, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp
Simply because if the van/bus driver has done nothing wrong, then they have no probable cause for stopping said vehicle!
No search warrent then have not right to check the passengers unless the passengers got rowdy and cause problems.
Kevin, you want to field this as a up and coming Laywer?
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Even if the van was pulled over by the police, the driver doesn't get charged with a "contributing to the deliquency of a minor". The police have to prove where they got the alcohol from. If they didn't get it from the driver and the driver didn't purchase it, then they cannot charge the driver.
Think about it, if the driver was responsible, then every cabbie would stop picking up people that call for rides from bars b/c of the liability.
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09-16-2006, 08:22 PM
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Because that's bullshit, thats why. Why do that to a bunch of kids who are being completely responsible.
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09-17-2006, 02:21 PM
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Because that's bullshit, thats why. Why do that to a bunch of kids who are being completely responsible.
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Thank You and True That! 
Oh hell, never mind, just give them a kick in the teeth anyway for being safe college kids! 
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09-17-2006, 10:15 PM
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Because that's bullshit, thats why. Why do that to a bunch of kids who are being completely responsible.
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OK. I think the school made a real mistake here.
I think the kids were being responsible.
They weren't being completely responsible, though. They were breaking the law.
I don't even agree with the law. I'd like to see the drinking age lowered to 18.
Still, it always seems to come back to the law, though.
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09-17-2006, 11:29 PM
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OK. I think the school made a real mistake here.
I think the kids were being responsible.
They weren't being completely responsible, though. They were breaking the law.
I don't even agree with the law. I'd like to see the drinking age lowered to 18.
Still, it always seems to come back to the law, though.
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So its against the law to go to a bar, drink, and ride back home?
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09-17-2006, 11:52 PM
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So its against the law to go to a bar, drink, and ride back home?
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It is against the law to drink underage, yes.
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09-18-2006, 04:37 AM
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It is against the law to drink underage, yes.
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Wait what? I am officially confused.. the bus isn't transporting underage people to a bar and telling them to go drink or something. The bus is for all ages to go to the city.
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09-18-2006, 12:28 PM
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It is against the law to drink underage, yes.
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I don't think drinking underage was ever mentioned. I have taken SafeRide in Norman before, and I am 21. You can be of age and still get a PI...so yes, pulling over the vans and arresting the people in them is ridiculous and complete bullshit, especially when you are being responsible.
Its college, give me a break. Underage kids are going to drink. Why punish them for doing the right thing and not driving.
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09-18-2006, 12:11 PM
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So its against the law to go to a bar, drink, and ride back home?
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"This week, the school has ordered this stopped, claiming it was allowing underage students access to alcohol."
If they're underage, yes.
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09-18-2006, 12:13 PM
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If you're underage, yes.
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So if you drive a cab and pick up someone drunk, you're supposed to card them to make sure they're of age?
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09-18-2006, 02:12 PM
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Quote:
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"This week, the school has ordered this stopped, claiming it was allowing underage students access to alcohol."
If they're underage, yes.
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Not to mention the biggest flaw in their statement was to assume that the bus gave access to alcohol to any students in general. It's the restaurant's responsibility. It has nothing to do with the bus.
it's unfair to cancel the system, because by doing so, they are also taking away the previlage to those who really need the system for "non-drunk" reasons.
I could be wrong, but are they trying to cut the cost? because it could cost a lot for the drivers to drive night shifts, right?
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