UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

[Elephant Walk]

Black parents need to stop teaching racist attitudes to their children.

[Tom Earp]

OMG the article is over the top.

Diann Carrol was the first Black Female star to be kissed by White Male Star.

I also beleive Captain Kirk , Kevin Costner were a couble of others. James Shatner may actually a first on a TV series.

If a women looks and acts pretty, they will likely be more apt to be looked upon with favor.

Not everyone is A raving beauty are they?

But isnt it in the eye of the beholder!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I also beleive Captain Kirk , Kevin Costner were a couble of others.

Captain Kirk and Kevin Costner kissed? That's hot.

Sorry Tom, I couldn't resist.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Captain Kirk and Kevin Costner kissed? That's hot.

I had a crush on Kirk.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Captain Kirk and Kevin Costner kissed? That's hot.

Sorry Tom, I couldn't resist.

Your welcome!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

OMG the article is over the top.

Translation: This is off the hook!

Diann Carrol was the first Black Female star to be kissed by White Male Star.

A complete sentence. *faints*

I also beleive Captain Kirk , Kevin Costner were a couble of others. James Shatner may actually a first on a TV series.

Captain Kirk kissed Kevin Costner. Difficult because James T. Kirk is fictional and Kevin Costner is, as far as I can tell, real. James Shatner does not exist either.

Kirk and Uhura's kiss was the first interracial kiss on a TV series. (AFAIK)

If a women looks and acts pretty, they will likely be more apt to be looked upon with favor.

Only pretty women are liked. (When I find a women, I'll let you know

Not everyone is A raving beauty are they?

You all aren't so hot either, are ya?

But isnt it in the eye of the beholder!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?

/Translations not guaranteed for any reason.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Black parents need to stop teaching racist attitudes to their children.

Agreed.

[DSTCHAOS]

Uh oh...can "socially unconscious GreekChat" handle another thread on race (and its intersection with gender)?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Uh oh...can "socially unconscious GreekChat" handle another thread on race (and its intersection with gender)?

"Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night!"

[EE-BO]

This is just the kind of article I was afraid would come as a result of this incident.

In many respects I agree with what ElephantWalk said above- the mistrust and racism runs both ways and is counterproductive for all.

One can argue an imbalance in the ability of some races to oppress other races, but when it comes to racist feelings that generate mistrust and conflict, everyone is guilty. It is a human thing- born in fear and isolation.

This is one of those "life ain't fair" situations folks. Those 7 guys, Chi Phi at UGA, the Greek system at UGA, and the Greek system nationwide just took a hit over an incident that was likely not nearly as maliciously crafted as it has been portrayed in the media.

I expect most people who have read the article have the same positive or negative feeling about Greeks that they did beforehand- but surely some folks have gone over to the negative, or at least had negative feeling re-enforced.

The author of this article has pointed out some specific examples of media portrayals of black women as caricatures of a dominated figure- but she has failed to point out that the media hype over this incident (including her article) is part of the problem.

Race is a sensitive issue and this is one more case where an inappropriate incident is being elevated to an extreme level in order to further a much larger agenda. Notice that the author of the article mentions getting Congress involved in the solution to the portrayal of black women in music videos. It is not just about Chi Phi.

When incidents like this are used to frame the national debate, it just further separates both sides.

To put it another way- I have been out of college for a few years now. I have lived and worked in the real world. Black women as a group in the US, especially the significant percentage who are single working mothers, ARE in a very bad position that is not entirely of their own making. This is a very real and urgent problem that needs to be addressed.

But using the bad decision of some kids to make that point does nothing to further the cause. It just creates resentment.

In the end, however, this all started when those 7 guys made a decision to do something very inappropriate that they should have known would draw this kind of attention. And yes, they MADE that decision. You can only use the "I was forced to" (i.e. the hazing) argument so far. At some point you have to make your own decisions about how your actions will reflect on you and those you associate with- regardless of whether others are trying to influence those decisions.

I do not think, based on the facts known to date, that Chi Phi has been fairly treated in this article. And this will not be the last mention of it I fear.

But this is the reality that could have been forseen.

The Risk Management issue here is that any fraternity needs to gather its pledges together the DAY they are formally tapped in and let them know the ground rules. Not just the rules of how to conduct one's self, but the rules about who is allowed to give orders and who to approach among the officers if something like this incident is ever ordered.

We may never know if these guys did this on their own, or were prompted. But the risk management approach I mention above should deal with that assuming the chapter does not consider this action acceptable.

[AGDLynn]

On a somewhat related note, today at work, a lady on the phone told me that she wanted to talk with a "black person" because I didn't seem to be too concerned about her problem....this after she kept insisting that she moved to WA State because a certain GA county's law enforcement agency and district attorney were out to get her. She kept saying that she was off her meds (yea, I can see that, lol.). I was trying to help her but she wouldn't give her name so I could look up her case!

I told her how did she know that I wasn't black. She said that "I sounded white". so I transferred the call to my co-worker. The caller then told her that she wanted to talk to someone older. P said what was "young"? The caller said "25". P is just a few years shy of 60, lol.

It doesn't matter to me if you are purple with pink stripes and orange polka dots. If you don't give me your name, I can't help you. (Don't blame me if you got arrested!).

[BabyPiNK_FL]

My best friend is a Chi Phi and we are both black, this is a real shame. But one person does not speak for all, etc. etc. etc. Hopefully, they will A) get kicked off campus and B) personally learn from this experience.

[macallan25]

How do you know the Chi Phis had anything to do with this?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

My best friend is a Chi Phi and we are both black, this is a real shame. But one person does not speak for all, etc. etc. etc. Hopefully, they will A) get kicked off campus and B) personally learn from this experience.

Why do you think an organization would be kicked off campus when they had two pledges do something offensive (not illegal) which cannot be directly tied to the organization?

It seems you're jumping the gun on a few points in making these assumptions.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by AGDLynn

It doesn't matter to me if you are purple with pink stripes and orange polka dots. If you don't give me your name, I can't help you. (Don't blame me if you got arrested!).

It should matter to you if someone is purple. It means they are choking. Stop asking for their name and do the Heimlich.

Just kidding, just trying to lighten up the mood a little bit.

I think that society overall is racist, but that kneejerk reactions like banning chi phi's chapter isn't going to help anything. Really, though, the only thing Chi Phi is clearly at wrong for is giving bids to whoever thought this would be a good idea. It really is a shame, all the way around. A few dipwads ruin everybody's fun time and almost start a race war.

I also don't think that giving out porn is worthy of punishment. Their punishment will be being known as the fraterinty that gave out porn.