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				A man who treats a lady like a lady is a man. Anything less are considered boys to me. He should support her physically, emotionally and spiritually. Take her coat off for her, open the door for her, pull her chair out for her ect. It's the simple things that get the ladies dude. I don't understand what the big deal is. Men that do this are not cry babies and are far from being soft. I grew up seeing my dad do these simple things for my mom and they've been married for 43 years. I dunno it's just how I was raised. 
			
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and a woman doesn't want a man who's soft either.  a man who is masculine can do all of those things and still not be a bitch.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				and a woman doesn't want a man who's soft either.  a man who is masculine can do all of those things and still not be a bitch. 
			
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 Exactly. It's the ones who don't do these things are the bitches.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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				Exactly. It's the ones who don't do these things are the bitches. 
			
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 but there are also dudes who aren't masculine who do all of the above.  and said dudes are the same ones to complain about how nice men finish last.  hell, no woman is going to want that.  they're basically a tit anyway.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				but there are also dudes who aren't masculine who do all of the above.  and said dudes are the same ones to complain about how nice men finish last.  hell, no woman is going to want that.  they're basically a tit anyway. 
			
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 I don't think nice men finish last. See you guys think because a guy is a nice person and is a gentleman to his lady, that he's soft. That's not true. Now if you said soft men finish last, then yeah, I would agree with that.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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				I don't think nice men finish last. See you guys think because a guy is a nice person and is a gentleman to his lady, that he's soft. That's not true. Now if you said soft men finish last, then yeah, I would agree with that. 
			
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 no, the guys who complain about being to nice ARE soft.  nothing to do with being nice.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				no, the guys who complain about being to nice ARE soft.  nothing to do with being nice. 
			
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 O.K. I agree.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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				no, the guys who complain about being to nice ARE soft.  nothing to do with being nice. 
			
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 just to reiterate.
 
you're looking WAY too much into it.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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you're looking WAY too much into it. 
			
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KAY10 - No one has a problem with a guy who is 'nice' according to your definition. These guys tend to have success in dating. Unless, as I stated before, the guys are seeking out women who are superficial and have their own esteem issues to deal with. What women do have a problem with are guys who do fit the profile of soft or doormat. These are the guys who often run to every female friend that they have and ask why girls are leaving them for being 'too nice'. This further solidifies their 'soft-ness' b/c this lack of self-confidence and need for affirmation is even more unattractive.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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you're looking WAY too much into it. 
			
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 No, I just like to debate. That's what this site is about. It's a site where different opinions are posted. That's what makes it so fun. Believe me, I'm not looking WAY too much into this. I just enjoy debating about different topics. Infact, I'm not your typical nice guy anyway.  
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
				  
				
					
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