NFL Hazing

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I have no idea what you said. However, they're 18. Its time to grow up. Its harder to grow up when other people are telling you what to do. Sink or swim.

Hell, I understand cannot YOU?

Sink or swim?

Kids while 18-19 are still Kids away from home for the first time on their own.

"Damn", I have to make up My own mind! "Damn", I really have never done this before without their help, what do I do now?

Sink or swim, many sink!

[LPIDelta]

While I agree it may not be fair to describe this as a "Beta" house activity solely, I wonder--why wouldn't someone associate hazing with fraternities? Greeks, despite the laws, are still hazing, and we have people like shiner and others on this board that promote hazing as a part of Greek life. OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO ASSOCIATE THOSE ACTIONS because there are not enough people standing up to state loudly that we don't want that as part of our system.

If you don't like the reference of hazing and fraternities--do something about it.

Editted because of a pesky double negative and bad spelling

[shinerbock]

18 and 19 year olds are immature because society babies them. Rewind several decades and look how they were acting. There were a lot of young faces in the greatest generation...I wonder why? Because we allowed them to be responsible for themselves.

[Prunetacos]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

18 and 19 year olds are immature because society babies them. Rewind several decades and look how they were acting. There were a lot of young faces in the greatest generation...I wonder why? Because we allowed them to be responsible for themselves.

Good Point, Shinerbock! Go back even farther in history, and we can find that people were taking on adult responsibilities at 16 and 17, or even sooner. Hard times such as the Great Depression can make people grow up fast. On the other hand, the Roaring Twenties won't be remembered so much as an era of greatness as it will an era of fatuousness.
- Prunetacos

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Prunetacos

Good Point, Shinerbock! Go back even farther in history, and we can find that people were taking on adult responsibilities at 16 and 17, or even sooner. Hard times such as the Great Depression can make people grow up fast. On the other hand, the Roaring Twenties won't be remembered so much as an era of greatness as it will an era of fatuousness.
- Prunetacos

And people were old at 30 and dead at 40.....

[Prunetacos]

Originally Posted by jon1856

And people were old at 30 and dead at 40.....

Before antibiotics, before cardiovascular medicine, before insulin, before cancer drugs, before kidney dialysis, before modern emergency surgery techniques, people DID die at a far younger age. However, the age when one acts like a mature, reasoning adult, in control over his or her behavior, and the age when one dies, are probably not strongly related to each other. The fact that we - in general - live longer, doesn't privilege us to behave like children longer.
- Prunetacos

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Prunetacos

Before antibiotics, before cardiovascular medicine, before insulin, before cancer drugs, before kidney dialysis, before modern emergency surgery techniques, people DID die at a far younger age. However, the age when one acts like a mature, reasoning adult, in control over his or her behavior, and the age when one dies, are probably not strongly related to each other. The fact that we - in general - live longer, doesn't privilege us to behave like children longer.
- Prunetacos

I agree with you on your point. I was getting at how in the 1700 and 1800's, due to the enviroment of the times that people had to take on adult responsiblities.

Enviroment has changed a bit since then.....not too many roving bands of Native-Americans, French, English around looking to kill you or rough farm work, or illness et al.....