We didn't hang that flag, say fraternity/Greenville, NC

[Scandia]

I would understand if it had been a Nazi flag- and that's what I honestly thought upon first reading it.

But a Confederate flag? It stands for the heritage of the South. It is not automatically stating "down with (insert group here)".

Derision and epithets are a sign of hatred. A Confederate flag is not.

[Honeykiss1974]

So the whole intent/purpose of doing this (hanging the flag/yelling like an idiot) was for what?? Obviously whomever hung the flag during this event has a differing opinion from you two as to what it means. Afterall, I don't recall the flag meaning "we support Dr. King".....but then again, I am from Mississippi so maybe we missed that version.

Anyway, I do think that an "investigation" should not be done. It's not illegal to be an idiot or to lack common courtesy.

[Elephant Walk]

What exactly is the crime here?

Free speech?

No big news, free speech has been relatively destroyed.

[shinerbock]

In my opinion, and experience, confederate flags are often used as a sort of protest. It isnt white power or anything, but rather a response to something they feel is unjust. For example, similar things happened regarding Atlanta renaming Hartsfield to Hartsfield jackson. I'm sure sometimes it is from racism, but sometimes I think it is simply rebellion.

[amanda6035]

hartsfield jackson Dont even get me started. ridiculous.

[Tom Earp]

If anything, it was tasteless and incencitive and that is all.

There is more than one CFS Flag, but the Stars and Bars is the one that is brought up and that was not actually the True CFS flag, but as some may call it a battle flag only.

Because of the PCness of todays dogma, it is not possible to Honor the Soldiers who fought and died from the Southern States.

NO, it is not the Nazi Flag but stood for beleifs of peoples of this country, not the beleifs of a demented person against all races who were not Aryan in the words of Adolph.

Do judge a Fraternity because there was a car setting there with a PKA window sticker in the window of a car and blaming them is uncalled for.

If it is a boarding house where many people stay, get the facts first and last.

Not judge first!

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Scandia

I would understand if it had been a Nazi flag- and that's what I honestly thought upon first reading it.

But a Confederate flag? It stands for the heritage of the South. It is not automatically stating "down with (insert group here)".

Derision and epithets are a sign of hatred. A Confederate flag is not.

For many African-Americans, the Confederate flag is just as offensive as a Nazi flag would be to the Jews. I am sure that there are still some Germans who feel that the Nazi flag also represents part of their heritage, so using your argument, they (current Nazi-Germans) can also feel justified in displaying it.

While I do agree that the Confederate flag does / can represent the heritage of the South, part of that heritage was based on slave labor. Slave labor of my ancestors. So no, you won't see me running around flying the Confederate flag. I also view the Confederate flag as a sign of hatred because it is usually carried by the KKK.

And, this being the US, I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it, because one day, I may want to say something too.....

[shinerbock]

^Good call.

On a side note, another flag usually carried by the KKK looks like this

[PKPILZ003]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

^Good call.

On a side note, another flag usually carried by the KKK looks like this

that's why i left the Klan out of this - they are not just Southern - seeing that the biggest Klan base for most of the 20th Century was in Indiana - and they are just idiots, they hate everyone unless you are pure white protestant and can prove "no mongrel blood"

shiner, regardless of what anyone says, you're OK - a little crazy sometime, but you when you put your thoughts in clear concise points you tend to make sense.

[shinerbock]

I appreciate that. While I truly hate forced diversity and a lot of popular black culture, I also hate white trash. I have some pretty serious issues with much of what the black community's leadership does, and nothing ruins my often very legitimate arguments like some uneducated redneck spouting hateful drivel.

[PKPILZ003]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I appreciate that. While I truly hate forced diversity and a lot of popular black culture, I also hate white trash. I have some pretty serious issues with much of what the black community's leadership does, and nothing ruins my often very legitimate arguments like some uneducated redneck spouting hateful drivel.

i really don't think that forced diversity is always the way to go - but i will say that we probably could learn a lot from each other if we got past the hate.

[shinerbock]

I'm sorry, but every town I've ever been in had an MLK street. Not every one had a Washington or a Jefferson street or high school. That being said, MLK wasnt really what I was saying regarding shoving black culture down our throats. Living in Atlanta, I'll go back to the Maynard Jackson thing. A LOT of people were extremely pissed off about that. I have no problem with an MLK blvd (although most i've been on were kinda scary). Another issue I remember people getting upset about was Rosa Parks lying in state. There are plenty of things, black history month, celebrations of "diversity," etc...that just get annoying for white people. Like blacks, we get really tired of having everything made into a racial issue.

[shinerbock]

PK, the Constitution never said anything about integrating your restaurant, ala, lester maddox.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm sorry, but every town I've ever been in had an MLK street. Not every one had a Washington or a Jefferson street or high school. That being said, MLK wasnt really what I was saying regarding shoving black culture down our throats. Living in Atlanta, I'll go back to the Maynard Jackson thing. A LOT of people were extremely pissed off about that. I have no problem with an MLK blvd (although most i've been on were kinda scary). Another issue I remember people getting upset about was Rosa Parks lying in state. There are plenty of things, black history month, celebrations of "diversity," etc...that just get annoying for white people. Like blacks, we get really tired of having everything made into a racial issue.

Sorry but I really think its people like yourself that makes things into a racial issue. So far in this thread, you have been the only one to bring up personal experiences of what you deem to be "racial issues" of how whites have it so bad. I'm sorry but MLK and other celebrations just don't wash with me and to really use them as examples is sad case of grasping at straws.

I mean, goodness sake, I currently live in Kansas where there is NOTHING remotely close to the word "diverse" here but common sense tells me that it isn't "the white man" shoving his culture down my throat. I could sit here and whine about how Ocktoberfest and Columbus Day parades and claim that they are annoying examples of "white pride" (using your logic) but common sense tells me that isn't the case.

Your real problem seems to be where you live. Hey, if you're looking for something that is more suitable for your taste, come to Kansas.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm sorry, but every town I've ever been in had an MLK street.

And that street is usually in a majority Black neighborhood / area. Which, you say you avoid, so why are you complaining?

Not every one had a Washington or a Jefferson street or high school.

Ummmm......where have you not been? I can't say that I've been to every city / town in the continental US, Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico, but I feel very confident in saying that of the ones I've been to in the continental US, they do have a Washington / Jefferson street / high school. As a matter of fact, the name of my high school is Washington, for Booker T. Washington.