Israel at War? - Page 12

shinerbock · #**166** 07-29-2006, 04:14 PM

This just pisses me off more and more. The UN is ridiculous. They completely ignore the fact that Hezbollah leaders met Iran officials in Syria this week, TO ORGANIZE HOW TO ARM THE MILITANTS! Where is the UN condemnation of Iran and Syria?

On a side note, I know its wrong to hate an entire religion, but given the attack in Seattle, I'm getting more and more prejudiced.

_Opi_ · #**167** 07-29-2006, 04:36 PM

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On a side note, I know its wrong to hate an entire religion, but given the attack in Seattle, I'm getting more and more prejudiced.

Well then you will be doing alot of hating --like a billion people's worth (and growing). Good luck.

shinerbock · #**168** 07-29-2006, 04:42 PM

Its alright, I hate China as well, thats another billion.

_Opi_ · #**169** 07-29-2006, 04:45 PM

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Its alright, I hate China as well, thats another billion.

North Korea? and for old times sake, how about Russia?

shinerbock · #**170** 07-29-2006, 04:50 PM

Not Russia. I don't know enough about N. Korea to hate them. But you can add France to the list. I want the wine though.

Tom Earp · #**171** 07-29-2006, 06:30 PM

The Main thing, is The UN is uless.

Readorict may be good, but it does not get stuff done!

If there is not Polotics there then what is it?

RACooper · #**172** 07-30-2006, 01:24 PM

.... Ireland has filed a official protest through the UN and the Hague over the IDF murder of the 4 UN soldiers at Khiam, and the wounding of 2 UN soldiers at Adaisseh... (and yes the Irish used the language of "deliberate and careful targeting of UN forces with murderous intent"...)

... and in other news 5 dozen civilians (women and children) killed when the IDF "mistakenly" strikes the wrong building in Qana...

The IDF sure seems to have problems with their high precision guided mutions don't they?

Tom Earp · #**173** 07-30-2006, 01:46 PM

The Premier of Lebon was interviewed to day on an American News Channel and did nothing but blame Isreal and said They Would not send Troops of that Country to try to control The H Terrorists!

Blameing everything on Isreal!

On another note, the anti Missile system in Iseral from the US does not work!

The whole thing is sad and they wonder why Civilians get killed? Wrap them around the hidden places that they hide.

Isreal has had to fight for thier lives since begining and will continue to do so. But, this seems to be over kill and losing support from the World!

shinerbock · #**174** 07-30-2006, 03:19 PM

RA, that is pretty typical of you. Naturally, you blame Israel, rather than the terrorists using the Lebanese as personal shields. Of course, Annan comes out today to condemn Israel, but remains silent on Iran, Syria and HEZBOLLAH. Attention, to the people who may not have noticed, this is a war. Innocent people die during war. It is unfortunate. If terrorists would leave Israel alone, it wouldnt happen. Annan mentioned Israel not heeding his calls for a ceasefire, as if Kofi Annan has distinguished himself as somebody with any sort of wisdom or sense. This coming from the organization who has had people in Lebanon for over 2 decades, and yet has done absolutely nothing to stop Hezbollah's reign in recent months. Sickening.

RACooper · #**175** 07-30-2006, 04:09 PM

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RA, that is pretty typical of you. Naturally, you blame Israel, rather than the terrorists using the Lebanese as personal shields. Of course, Annan comes out today to condemn Israel, but remains silent on Iran, Syria and HEZBOLLAH. Attention, to the people who may not have noticed, this is a war. Innocent people die during war. It is unfortunate. If terrorists would leave Israel alone, it wouldnt happen. Annan mentioned Israel not heeding his calls for a ceasefire, as if Kofi Annan has distinguished himself as somebody with any sort of wisdom or sense. This coming from the organization who has had people in Lebanon for over 2 decades, and yet has done absolutely nothing to stop Hezbollah's reign in recent months. Sickening.

And Shiner that is rather typical of you, swallowing the line that Israel uses for every "mistake" - ie. that Hezbollah was using the people as shields... thing is in everyone of these "accidents" the Israelis haven't been able to show any bomb camera or drone footage of this (sure they've showed footage, but nothing for the actual events).

Of course Annan condmens Israel in this attack, because after all it was the Israelis that dropped the bomb... just like the rest of the UN (except of course for US & Isreal). I can also understand his anger and frustration with Israel, because everytime it happens (like shelling the UN in the same village 10 years ago) Israel conviently turns it around to blame the victims.

Also in case you ever decided to turn away from FauxNews you'd see the anger and frustration directed against the UN by the Lebanese and Palestinians - apparently they are angry that the UN can't protect them, and they are angry that the UN is beholden to the US and Israel...

Now a final thought - both sides seem to be targeting civilians.... but only one side uses precision weapons. I join with the rest of the f-ck'in world in condemning these continual "accidents" by Israel.

shinerbock · #**176** 07-30-2006, 04:18 PM

1) I watch MSNBC, which is generally more in the bleeding heart category which you belong to.

2) The UN isn't controlled by the US, although they should be. You continue to ignore the UN's inaction on terrorism.

3) Your consistant condoning of terrorism makes your condemnation of Israel less legitimate.

4) Again, this is entirely the fault of Hamas and Hezbollah. They started this, and I pray to God Israel finishes it, by whatever means necc.

RACooper · #**177** 07-30-2006, 04:35 PM

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1) I watch MSNBC, which is generally more in the bleeding heart category which you belong to.

Well I watch CBC, BBC, DW, CNN, and when I can stomach it FOXNews. Didn't know that made me a "bleeding heart"

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2) The UN isn't controlled by the US, although they should be. You continue to ignore the UN's inaction on terrorism.

No it isn't controlled by the US (thank God); but it is beholden to the US (just as it is to any security council member with veto), and the US is effectively blocking any calls for a cease-fire or condemnation for any Israeli action.

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3) Your consistant condoning of terrorism makes your condemnation of Israel less legitimate.

I don't condone any terrorism - whether it be by an organization or by a state - I say again that I don't condone any terrorism. In fact I condemn the terrorism by both Hezbollah and the IDF.

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4) Again, this is entirely the fault of Hamas and Hezbollah. They started this, and I pray to God Israel finishes it, by whatever means necc.

No it is not entirely the fault of Hamas or Hezbollah - yes they sparked the beginnings of the current round of violence; yes they have launched attacks on Israel; but they weren't the ones that dropped the precision bombs... so the IDF shares the blame.

shinerbock · #**178** 07-30-2006, 04:41 PM

1) What news you watch has nothing to do with you being a bleeding heart-type. I simply indicated that I don't prefer conservative-biased news. I would, but Fox News tends to repeat things and cover stories I think are stupid.

2) The U.S. is blocking calls for a cease fire, because it would endanger Israel. Hezbollah would not agree to a cease fire. They are not a legitimate negotiating body, they are a ultra radical terrorist organization who wants the end of Israel. Countries must have some sort of "credit" if you will, for a cease fire to work. Hezbollah has none. The U.S. consistantly blocks anti-Semetic action by the UN, usually because Israel is the only one targeted, while Kofi and the GA consistantly ignore Israel's attackers.

3) Very rarely, if at all, have I heard you condemn the terrorist organizations. It is similar to the rhetoric of many muslim groups. Simply not supporting terrorist action isn't enough. There must be condemnation, which the UN does not do.

4) It is the fault of Hezbollah. They created this problem. Would Israel have attacked them otherwise? No. Thus, it is the fault of Hezbollah, a terrorist organization who went after Israel initially.

Rudey · #**179** 07-31-2006, 03:39 AM

Rob it's simple. You don't consider Hezbollah to be a terrorist group. That's very telling.

And the UN is busy murdering and raping Africans so who knew they had time to cry over this?

And Hezbollah cares about civilians. That's why it continues to use them as human shields. That's why it continues to fire rockets at them. That's why they bomb buildings in Argentina.

People die in a war. It's not easy. Was there ever a single war where civilians did not die? It's a shame. It's sad. But it's reality. It can all stop when Hezbollah stops firing rockets at Israel and releases the soldiers it kidnapped while Europe and the UN admit that they allowed the country to become a large terrorist state.

-Rudey

KSigkid · #**180** 07-31-2006, 07:28 AM

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Rob, as much as I'd like to say this is a result of the pain you are suffering from your loss I think you also harbor anti-Israel and anti-American beliefs.

Again, you don't see people constantly discussing their hate for Canada. Don't you think you can just give it a rest for a day...maybe two?

-Rudey

And I'd like to note this point has not been answered.

Also, I'm wondering where this "anti-UN media" is, because everything I've seen in the U.S. (NBC, CBS, ABC, Boston Globe, etc.) has been free of anti-UN literature. Same for this notion that conservatives in the US are anti-UN.