Obama orders end to the practice of denying same-sex partners hospital visits

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Notice I said Unitarian Christianity, not Unitarian Universalism.

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Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel
I heart you for this, my Panhellenic sister, even though we have different views on things...

Unitarian-Universalists and Episcopalians are some places you may want to check out. Some, but not all individual ELCA Lutheran churches as well.

Fixed it for you (The entire denomination is for this, organizationally speaking.)

And this is why I was thinking universalist Sorry, Vito, we were on different tracks!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Most of the laws we follow have a foundation in the Ten Commandments.

Without in any way denigrating the 10 Commandments or their importance, this is just way hyperbolic. (And not true.)

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

The Episcopal church it really depends on the independent church, though from what i understand most churches are more on the liberal side.

All depends where you are. In your part of the country, probably so. In my part of the country, not so much.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Without in any way denigrating the 10 Commandments or their importance, this is just way hyperbolic. (And not true.)

And quite humorous.

In a predominantly Christian country, people claim that the founding fathers were diehard Christians who based everything on Christian principles (as though Christian principles, in general, are all that unique to Christianity).

Similarly, in GLOs where the members are predominantly Christian, members tend to claim that the founders were diehard Christians who based everything on Christian principles.

They don't need evidence for these claims nor do they need to be silenced by evidence to the contrary. LOL.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And the ten commandments say Thou shall not commit adultery not thou shalt not marry someone of the same sex. My whole point is, there is no state sponsored religion, and the "Christian values" that this country was founded on are up to debate. Christianity in and of itself has so many denomintions- which one gets to decide what moral compass we follow. Some think gay marriage is okay. I vote we follow that denomination!

Great. I never said there was anything in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality in the first place.


And furthermore, what is the point of this debate about religion?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by naraht

Not only don't the ten commandments say anything about marrying someone of the same sex, the various places that homosexuality are mentioned aren't in the same chapter of the bible as the 10 commandments (in either of the places where the 10 commandments are mentioned.) The closest that you get is that both one set of statements of the 10 commandments is in Leviticus and so is the prohibition against homosexual sex. (Note that Lesbian sex isn't mentioned at all).

See my post above.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by epchick

Unitarians aren't the only ones. In fact, many well-known preachers...like T.D. Jakes, aren't Unitarians yet they don't believe in the Trinity either.

Wow. I never knew that. I don't listen to Jakes though, but I'm surprised to hear that. Are you sure?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Great. I never said there was anything in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality in the first place.


And furthermore, what is the point of this debate about religion?

You are completely missing the point. You said we make most of our laws based on the ten commandments. I merely pointed out that the ten commandments expressly forbid adultery, but we don't have Christians running around trying to outlaw that now do we. The debate about religion came up because you used your religious beliefs as a reason for why gay marriage should not be legalized. If you don't like the validity of that view being debated, then keep it to yourself.
Religion itself has not been debated. No one here has said religion is bad or people are stupid for being religious. We've all just agreed to keep our religious beliefs to ourselves so they don't impinge on the free practice or lack of practice of religion of our fellow Americans.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Wow. I never knew that. I don't listen to Jakes though, but I'm surprised to hear that. Are you sure?

Apparently he has been "accused" of promoting views deriving from Oneness Pentecostalism, which he denies. Read his article about it here.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

And furthermore, what is the point of this debate about religion?

You brought it up. You were asked why you thought same-sex marriage should not be legalized and you gave an answer based on religious beliefs.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You are completely missing the point. You said we make most of our laws based on the ten commandments. I merely pointed out that the ten commandments expressly forbid adultery, but we don't have Christians running around trying to outlaw that now do we. The debate about religion came up because you used your religious beliefs as a reason for why gay marriage should not be legalized. If you don't like the validity of that view being debated, then keep it to yourself.
Religion itself has not been debated. No one here has said religion is bad or people are stupid for being religious. We've all just agreed to keep our religious beliefs to ourselves so they don't impinge on the free practice or lack of practice of religion of our fellow Americans.

@the part in bold: You might want to double check that. My state has laws against adultery AND against fornication. There are other states that have done so as well.

And I was ASKED my opinion by ONE person. That was not my attempt to say that EVERYONE should follow suit. so no, your debate about religion was not necessary based on that.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You brought it up. You were asked why you thought same-sex marriage should not be legalized and you gave an answer based on religious beliefs.

I gave my opinion based on it. As I just explained above, that was not my attempt to say that everyone should follow suit.

Amusing how people get so sensitive when religion is brought up. Yes, most of our laws have sOME foundation in the Ten Commandments. That is NOT the same as saying that they were the sole guidance.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My state has laws against ... fornication.

Word?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I gave my opinion based on it. As I just explained above, that was not my attempt to say that everyone should follow suit.

Amusing how people get so sensitive when religion is brought up. Yes, most of our laws have sOME foundation in the Ten Commandments. That is NOT the same as saying that they were the sole guidance.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Aren't you doing the same thing?

Cue Ralph Tresvant...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Cue Ralph Tresvant...

That song is still my jam.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Aren't you doing the same thing?

Nope. I'm just annoyed because I don't see why my opinion should spark debate. People are getting caught up in discussion about church and state like folks don't already know about that.