Gay Emory Student Dragged From Frat Party

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Okay, Pookie....

Okay, bitch.

(I don't know if this change in tone was a result of miscommunication, missed sarcasm, or if you were trying to go there with me. Such is life.)

[KSig RC]

See, what you guys don't understand is that the woman could have prevented the entire thing by not putting herself in that situation!

Also the kid's parents could have prevented it by not doing it! SO IT'S THEIR FAULT!

[KSig RC]

Also I want to point out the insanity of claiming OTHER PEOPLE are all "wahh wahh it's other peoples' fault" when sigmadiva won't put personal responsibility (see, that buzzword again!) on the actual rapist.

You're ALLOWING a rapist to say "well, it's other peoples' fault too." You HAVE to understand this. That's why I'm putting words in caps. Come on.

Also, that's a theoretical rapist - which is the best kind.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

See, what you guys don't understand is that the woman could have prevented the entire thing by not putting herself in that situation!

Also the kid's parents could have prevented it by not doing it! SO IT'S THEIR FAULT!

You and your liberal semi-intellectualism!!!!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Also I want to point out the insanity of claiming OTHER PEOPLE are all "wahh wahh it's other peoples' fault" when sigmadiva won't put personal responsibility (see, that buzzword again!) on the actual rapist.

You're ALLOWING a rapist to say "well, it's other peoples' fault too." You HAVE to understand this. That's why I'm putting words in caps. Come on.

Also, that's a theoretical rapist - which is the best kind.

Why does my case management group topic always line up with the GC discussion.

I spent two separate hours today trying to put personal responsibility into the heads of people who think that it's not lying if you get your friend to tell your girl that you were with him last night and not another girl.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And if you went there and were assaulted it wouldn't be your fucking fault.

No, but I would still be stupid for walking into a KNOWN violent area.

I'm not so naieve to think that nothing will ever happen to me anywhere. I am just as susceptible as anyone else. I think the difference between you and me is that I can recognize a dangerous situation and avoid it.

You seem to feel that nothing should happen anywhere. That is just not true. That is not real life.

And it was a shitty one. As pointed out by everyone else in this thread.

Ah, I think a few people got the humor in it.

BUT NOT AN INVITATION TO RAPE HER. There is zero blame on her for her rape. None. Zero. Nada. Rien.

I've said the same thing. But, again, use good judgment in as many situations as possible.

You complained about it being black and white.

No, I said that *your* perception is black and white.

And this is. There is NO case where a woman is complicit or to blame for her own rape. None. NEVER. The responsibility is ALWAYS on the rapist. ALWAYS. Tojours.

Again, I agree. But the woman does not have to make it a likely event, if she can prevent it. Prevention is the key. I think you keep missing that in my point.

There is no gray area. It's rape. And until you stop blaming the victim, continue to go fuck yourself.

So, for someone so adamant on this issue, you seem to enjoy saying the word 'fuck' a lot. Leaves me to wonder....

Any of the blame. None. He deserves no blame.

Well, I think 3 -4 pages ago, it was stated that given the incident, he was complicit in his own outcome. I don't think he deserves total blame. Just blame for using poor judgment.

Unless this person's physical presence was the legal equivalent of 'fighting words' or a physical threat, then no, it's nothing at all like picking a fight.

I still think the guy knew what he was doing. I don't think he was totally clueless.

And say ass or don't say it all. You're grown, if ignorant.

Oh, I can say the word. No problem. I'm just trying to respect the GC TOS.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Okay, bitch.

Is this where I should come in and say 'You are a bad representation of your sorority. Imma gonna tell yo' prezzident'.

(I don't know if this change in tone was a result of miscommunication, missed sarcasm, or if you were trying to go there with me. Such is life.)

I think this.

[knight_shadow]

Question:

The south has a reputation of being back-woodsy and racist.

Should I move because I'm black? I AM placing myself in a bad situation. If I get jumped or killed here in Texas, am I partially to blame?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Is this where I should come in and say 'You are a bad representation of your sorority. Imma gonna tell yo' prezzident'.

That's illegal.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I think this.

LOL. Cool. The power of the written word.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Also I want to point out the insanity of claiming OTHER PEOPLE are all "wahh wahh it's other peoples' fault" when sigmadiva won't put personal responsibility (see, that buzzword again!) on the actual rapist.

I think you have not read carefully what I have said. Yes, it is the rapists fault, for sure. But if I don't have to put myself in a situation that leaves me vulnerable, then I should just not involve myself in that situation *in the first place.*

You're ALLOWING a rapist to say "well, it's other peoples' fault too." You HAVE to understand this. That's why I'm putting words in caps. Come on.

Also, that's a theoretical rapist - which is the best kind.

I do. I get your point. Believe me I do.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Question:

The south has a reputation of being back-woodsy and racist.

Should I move because I'm black? I AM placing myself in a bad situation. If I get jumped or killed here in Texas, am I partially to blame?

Yes.

Emmitt Till should've known better. That teenager was so dumb that he got comfortable with the white folks in 1950s Mississippi and allegedly flirted with a white woman. What about Ms. Sofia telling the white woman "hellll no" and punching the white man. That's why she had a jacked up eye and went to prison.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

No, but I would still be stupid for walking into a KNOWN violent area.

I'm not so naieve to think that nothing will ever happen to me anywhere. I am just as susceptible as anyone else. I think the difference between you and me is that I can recognize a dangerous situation and avoid it.

You seem to feel that nothing should happen anywhere. That is just not true. That is not real life.

Nothing should happen anywhere. Things do happen everywhere. People who live in areas with more violent crime do not somehow deserve to be assaulted more because they're there. LOL about your assumptions about me.

Ah, I think a few people got the humor in it.

Yes, it was completely funny and not shitty at all. No wait, strike that. Reverse it.

I've said the same thing. But, again, use good judgment in as many situations as possible.

No, you've put blame on the victim. Repeatedly.

No, I said that *your* perception is black and white.

Rape is always and solely the rapist's fault.
Tell me where the gray area is, precisely.

Again, I agree. But the woman does not have to make it a likely event, if she can prevent it. Prevention is the key. I think you keep missing that in my point.

Bullshit. More women are raped by their dates, boyfriends, partners, friends then by random strangers. If you want women to really 'prevent' rape they should never leave their rooms. If you want rape to be prevented, we should start focusing on teaching people not to be fucking rapists. And stop laughing at rape jokes. And stop doubting a victim because of how she acts, dresses, who she slept with, or whether we approve of her lifestyle. It means teaching children to respect each other's bodies from a young age and not laughing off someone grabbing a waitress's ass.

I'm missing your point because your point is BLAMING THE VICTIM.

So, for someone so adamant on this issue, you seem to enjoy saying the word 'fuck' a lot. Leaves me to wonder....

What, precisely? Seriously, what exactly do you wonder?

Well, I think 3 -4 pages ago, it was stated that given the incident, he was complicit in his own outcome. I don't think he deserves total blame. Just blame for using poor judgment.

He deserves no blame for being assaulted. Assault is not a reasonable outcome for being at a party in an odd outfit. Stop blaming the victim.

I still think the guy knew what he was doing. I don't think he was totally clueless.

So he deserved it?

Oh, I can say the word. No problem. I'm just trying to respect the GC TOS.

So don't say it at all then. Or fuck off. Whichever.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Question:

The south has a reputation of being back-woodsy and racist.

Should I move because I'm black? I AM placing myself in a bad situation. If I get jumped or killed here in Texas, am I partially to blame?

I'm a 6th generation native Texan. I would have to say that in certain parts of deep east Texas, yes, I would advise you to move. I really would...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I'm a 6th generation native Texan. I would have to say that in certain parts of deep east Texas, yes, I would advise you to move. I really would...

Yeaaaaah...it sounds like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Nothing should happen anywhere. Things do happen everywhere. People who live in areas with more violent crime do not somehow deserve to be assaulted more because they're there. LOL about your assumptions about me.

I did not say that, nor was that implied. What I said was that knowing an area that is violent, I would be stupid to go there, thinking that I don't run the risk of being assaulted.

No, you've put blame on the victim. Repeatedly.


Rape is always and solely the rapist's fault.
Tell me where the gray area is, precisely.



Bullshit. More women are raped by their dates, boyfriends, partners, friends then by random strangers. If you want women to really 'prevent' rape they should never leave their rooms. If you want rape to be prevented, we should start focusing on teaching people not to be fucking rapists. And stop laughing at rape jokes. And stop doubting a victim because of how she acts, dresses, who she slept with, or whether we approve of her lifestyle. It means teaching children to respect each other's bodies from a young age and not laughing off someone grabbing a waitress's ass.

I'm missing your point because your point is BLAMING THE VICTIM.

I want women to feel that they should not have to subject themselves to people, places, events, that they don't want to.

I want women to have high self esteem so that they don't feel that they have to get treated in a certain way.

I want women to feel empowered.

When women feel they deserve less than the best, that is ripe for abuse, of any kind.

What I am saying is that women should not have to go to such extremes just to be liked and accepted.

Women should not have to feel as if the only way they can get attention and "love" is to suffer abuse for it and put up with it.

I want women to be able to take control of their lives, and to do that is to understand their responsibility in their own actions. To recognize that they don't have to leave that option to someone else. It is their choice.

What, precisely? Seriously, what exactly do you wonder?

I wonder why do you think you have to resort to using profanity to get your point across?

He deserves no blame for being assaulted. Assault is not a reasonable outcome for being at a party in an odd outfit. Stop blaming the victim.


So he deserved it?

Go back and re-read my posts. I've answered this multiple times....

So don't say it at all then. Or fuck off. Whichever.

Again with the 'F' bomb. Color me impressed....