A drama filled, rollercoaster Back to School themed recruitment!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

It was an older member who told her where she was on the bid list (and explained bid matching poorly). NOT her bio sister.

/all I have to contribute to this thread.

Reread the second paragraph.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Reread the second paragraph.

My bad...I was looking at the bolded part where another member told her they put her in the top 10 so they would get her even though they knew she wanted USC.

Paraphrasing because I forgot to quote and am too lazy to go back now.

[amIblue?]

I'm sorry you're unhappy. I don't think that if you were actually on your first choice's first bid list that it matters where your second choice ranks you.

Also, those are some pretty egregious recruitment infractions you've been throwing around. You shared those with the head of Greek life and there was no concern?

You tell an enjoyable story, but I think a lot of it is just that, a story.

[HereComesTheSun]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I'm sorry you're unhappy. I don't think that if you were actually on your first choice's first bid list that it matters where your second choice ranks you.

Also, those are some pretty egregious recruitment infractions you've been throwing around. You shared those with the head of Greek life and there was no concern?

You tell an enjoyable story, but I think a lot of it is just that, a story.

It's not just a story and I wouldn't go through all of the trouble to tell a story that didn't even have a good ending.

I talked to the director of Greek Life and she said since I wasn't the only person this happened to at that chapter, that they were looking into it, but that was 2 days after I got my bid, so I have no idea what the status of that investigation is.

Before I talked to the director, I sent her an email and in the email she said:

"Each chapter submitted a list of the women who attended their parties on Preference Day. For some, that was 115 women and for others, it was 180 women. Quota (the number in a pledge class) was set at 52, so we essentially match women in the top 52 of their list. If a PNM is higher on another’s list, she will go to that chapter and the other sorority will look at number 53, and so on"

I did not just make up a story just for the heck of it. I wish it didn't matter where my second choice put me if I was on my first choices bid list, but apparently thats the way it is.

[DubaiSis]

There are some inconsistencies here, however. I don't know the size of quota where you were so I'll make up some numbers. Let's say quota was 30. The first 30 people are put on the list in ALPHABETICAL order, not priority. There is not a #1 pick on the list. So you were not placed in their top 10 (unless quota was 10). If you were also on the first bid list of your preferred chapter but further down the list, let's say position #20, that doesn't make any sense because USC's first bid list is also alphabetical. You would have had the exact same position on both lists. Positions 31 and lower are placed in priority order. By the rules of most sororities (and it sounds true in this case), if you are a legacy and get invited to preference, you automatically go on the first bid list. Which, again, is alphabetical order. Person #10 has no more priority than person #30. If you put USC as your first choice and did not get into that chapter, they did in fact NOT have you on their first bid list. I'm sorry, but that's just how it works some times.

[HereComesTheSun]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

There are some inconsistencies here, however. I don't know the size of quota where you were so I'll make up some numbers. Let's say quota was 30. The first 30 people are put on the list in ALPHABETICAL order, not priority. There is not a #1 pick on the list. So you were not placed in their top 10 (unless quota was 10). If you were also on the first bid list of your preferred chapter but further down the list, let's say position #20, that doesn't make any sense because USC's first bid list is also alphabetical. You would have had the exact same position on both lists. Positions 31 and lower are placed in priority order. By the rules of most sororities (and it sounds true in this case), if you are a legacy and get invited to preference, you automatically go on the first bid list. Which, again, is alphabetical order. Person #10 has no more priority than person #30. If you put USC as your first choice and did not get into that chapter, they did in fact NOT have you on their first bid list. I'm sorry, but that's just how it works some times.

Well if thats the way it works, then thats the way it works. There's not much left for me to do now but wait until next year for recruitment. Thank you for giving me a clearer explanation.

[AOII Angel]

You have been misinformed. Bid matching does not work this way. Period. You go to your first choice even if you are dead last on their list IF they haven't met quota by the time they get to you. Where your second choice ranked you has no bearing on your bid UNLESS your first choice ranked you too low and they filled to quota before hitting your number on the list.

Unfortunately, your sister has led you down a sad path by first poisoning you against a group that didn't, in my opinion, do anything but offer you a chance to become a sister. She then filled you with misinformation that led you to be so mad about your situation like the chapter had taken away your choice (which is far from the truth) to the point that you dropped out before even giving it a real chance. It's a shame she couldn't have left her bad feelings for her chapter to herself so you could make decisions based in your actual time there rather than tainted by her bad experiences.

ADPi didn't rob you of a bid to USC. Only one or two people in a chapter know what order people were ranked, and like DubaisSis said, the first list is alphabetical anyway. ADPi gave you a bid when USC didn't. Period. I'm sorry you will miss out on all the fun of being a sorority member. I guess there is always next year.

[HereComesTheSun]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You have been misinformed. Bid matching does not work this way. Period. You go to your first choice even if you are dead last on their list IF they haven't met quota by the time they get to you. Where your second choice ranked you has no bearing on your bid UNLESS your first choice ranked you too low and they filled to quota before hitting your number on the list.

Unfortunately, your sister has led you down a sad path by first poisoning you against a group that didn't, in my opinion, do anything but offer you a chance to become a sister. She then filled you with misinformation that led you to be so mad about your situation like the chapter had taken away your choice (which is far from the truth) to the point that you dropped out before even giving it a real chance. It's a shame she couldn't have left her bad feelings for her chapter to herself so you could make decisions based in your actual time there rather than tainted by her bad experiences.

ADPi didn't rob you of a bid to USC. You can stop spreading that misinformation around and accept the fact that USC ranked you after the other girls on in their new pledge class. And, I'll save you from posting again that your sister's friend in USC said they ranked you in the top 10. Only one or two people in a chapter know what order people were ranked, and like DubaisSis said, the first list is alphabetical anyway. ADPi gave you a bid when USC didn't. Period. I'm sorry you will miss out on all the fun of being a sorority member. I guess there is always next year.

I didn't say my friends in USC said they listed me in the top 10, I said a girl from Rutgers said to me.

I gave it a real chance, I stayed 3 weeks and I don't want to stay longer because initiation is at the beginning of October for the chapter and I wouldn't want to just stay until days before initiation starts.

I know they offered me a bid, but my recruitment experience and the way I was just pigeonholed with my sister and not treated as an individual.

I'm not trying to knowingly spread misinformation and i'm just saying what i've been told and whether it was wrong or not since I no nothing about how either of those chapters select members.

I'm disappointed it didn't work out either and considering I dropped today, I did at least give it an effort.

I just hope recruitment will be different next year.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by HereComesTheSun

I didn't say my friends in USC said they listed me in the top 10, I said a girl from Rutgers said to me.

I gave it a real chance, I stayed 3 weeks and I don't want to stay longer because initiation is at the beginning of October for the chapter and I wouldn't want to just stay until days before initiation starts.

I know they offered me a bid, but my recruitment experience and the way I was just pigeonholed with my sister and not treated as an individual.

I'm not trying to knowingly spread misinformation and i'm just saying what i've been told and whether it was wrong or not since I no nothing about how either of those chapters select members.

I'm disappointed it didn't work out either and considering I dropped today, I did at least give it an effort.

I just hope recruitment will be different next year.

I think we know you are not trying to spread misinformation. We just want to be sure that you are clear on how bid matching works. We also want to be sure that other PNMs who read your story later will not misunderstand how the process works. Good luck if you try again next recruitment.

[ladybug12]

Bid lists are no longer entered in alphabetically because chapters are given a quota range...not a solid quota number when bid lists are submitted. So it is top scores and down. You only find out quota on bid day.

You were not high enough on USC's bid list to get a bid. It doesn't matter where you were on Rutger's list. If you ranked high enough on USC's list to match before they met quota, then you would have matched with them. If you were#50 on their list and quota was 52' you would have matched even if you were #1 on Rutger's list.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by ladybug12

Bid lists are no longer entered in alphabetically because chapters are given a quota range...not a solid quota number when bid lists are submitted. So it is top scores and down. You only find out quota on bid day.

You were not high enough on USC's bid list to get a bid. It doesn't matter where you were on Rutger's list. If you ranked high enough on USC's list to match before they met quota, then you would have matched with them. If you were#50 on their list and quota was 52' you would have matched even if you were #1 on Rutger's list.

Thank you. All that talk about alphabetical is not correct. You explained it perfectly.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ladybug12

Bid lists are no longer entered in alphabetically because chapters are given a quota range...not a solid quota number when bid lists are submitted. So it is top scores and down. You only find out quota on bid day.

You were not high enough on USC's bid list to get a bid. It doesn't matter where you were on Rutger's list. If you ranked high enough on USC's list to match before they met quota, then you would have matched with them. If you were#50 on their list and quota was 52' you would have matched even if you were #1 on Rutger's list.

So there is no such thing anymore as "first bid list" "second bid list" is what you're saying? If that's the case then is any "legacies invited to pref must be on first bid list" rule down the drain? Maybe that's what her sister and the older member meant by "top 25" and "top 10" - that legacies get some sort of a point bump during voting that assures they're in the quota range.

I would say sorry to tread on MS but that horse is way outta the barn in this thread. Also, I feel like Chris Farley with the air quotes now.

[MaggieXi]

Originally Posted by 33girl

So there is no such thing anymore as "first bid list" "second bid list" is what you're saying? If that's the case then is any "legacies invited to pref must be on first bid list" rule down the drain? Maybe that's what her sister and the older member meant by "top 25" and "top 10" - that legacies get some sort of a point bump during voting that assures they're in the quota range.

I would say sorry to tread on MS but that horse is way outta the barn in this thread. Also, I feel like Chris Farley with the air quotes now.

This was the new way of doing bids on the campus I help with last year. Greek Life gave us an estimated quota and said rank the PNMS using this quota number. So instead of doing the A list alphabetical and the B list by rank, the entire list is done by rank. I would guess each sorority would have their own way of putting legacies within the quota range to ensure that they are at the top of the overall list.

[sigmadiva]

This thread was a fun read!

I love our GC-NPC sleuths.

[amanda6035]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

This was the new way of doing bids on the campus I help with last year. Greek Life gave us an estimated quota and said rank the PNMS using this quota number. So instead of doing the A list alphabetical and the B list by rank, the entire list is done by rank. I would guess each sorority would have their own way of putting legacies within the quota range to ensure that they are at the top of the overall list.

This makes sense IF the computer is going to recalculate quota to place the maximum number of PNMs possible. I mean.... seems to me that if you have 100 PNMs at a school with 5 chapters then quota would be 20, but if the computer brain - however the heck it works - determines that quota should be 18 and some chapters end up with quota plus, well, what's a chapter do do? Continually rewrite their first bid list alphabetically with a different number of ladies on it? Nah, if you're going to use this method of setting quota then the ranking method makes sense.... because if quota is 20, then the chapter already shows who the top 20 pick is. If quota is reset to 18, then panhellenic already knows who the top 18 is and doesn't have to ask who the 2 in alphabetical list of 20 should be removed since quota has been reset to 18.