Pregnant Sorority Member

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I understand if you have never heard that use. Since you can't walk through life with me, I'll just give an Internet-based example:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/U-of-C-to-Let-Male-Female-Students-Sleep-Together.html

If this attempt at sexual connotation makes coed as a noun still offensive, that still isn't the same as the claim that coed is only/100%/always/with no exceptions used for women.

And since I was in a blessed Seder all evening....

An article in The Jewish Advocate titled "Muslim and Jewish Coeds Under Sukkah;" and an article in Jewish Exponent titled "Israel Trip Preps Coeds for Advocacy" These articles are not only talking about female college students.

Interesting, although not necessarily representative of the spoken/written use by the average individual, as headlines are written to different standards. So, now I've seen it twice (not reading through jstor atm). However, beyond "saving space" there's no actual need to use that word here, whether it's offensive or not.

That was figurative.

Well, fair enough, take my response figuratively then.

"Over 50." Correct, there are more women's liberal arts colleges than men's liberal arts colleges (which could also contribute to some people thinking of women at co-education institutions as "coeds" in the 21st century). All-male is all-male regardless of whether they are religious or non-religious institutions. For the record, there are actually less than 50 women's colleges if only considering 4-year liberal arts.

[/QUOTE]
Including seminaries doesn't really make sense in your comparison if only because enrollment wise, they're probably irrelevant and many are unaccredited. But ok, if you insist. Wiki says over sixty women's colleges, primarily liberal arts. I think this is an apples to oranges comparison.

Now if you want to point out the sexism inherent in many religious sects, looking at the seminaries - primarily RCC or Jewish per wiki - makes sense.

They're a reflection of the religious beliefs of that group rather than a reflection of the access to education for women as a whole. Sects that allow women preachers/pastors/priests/rabbis have already integrated their seminaries, assuming they have any. Now sure, historically, it's the same sexism at the root of it all, but it's overbroadening the discussion.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So, now I've seen it twice....

As long as you can no longer claim that you've never heard of it.

And I can't claim that I've never heard of "coed as a noun" being used in an offensive context or people being offended by it. That's despite the fact that people in my real life professional and personal encounters (feminists included) use "coed as a noun" for the reasons I discussed earlier, and also to discuss both men and women, without negative connotation.

/so let it be written, so let it be done

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But ok, if you insist.

Correct. The purpose and perceived utility behind uni-sex institutions is the same regardless of people's opinions of their religious or non-religious foundations; accreditation or non-accreditation; relevance; and size of student population.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

As long you can no longer claim that you've never heard of it.



Correct. The purpose behind the existence of these uni-sex institutions is the same regardless of people's opinions of their religious or non-religious; and accredited or non-accredited foundations.

(I still consider its use to describe male students to be so unusual as to be irrelevant)
Actually I disagree, I don't consider seminaries to be educationally equivalent to other schools and not at all comparable to say Loyola or Liberty University. Additionally, accreditation matters as evidenced by the school shutting down following loss of it's accreditation. And using them as an example of how men's education is still privileged misses the mark in my opinion.

[DrPhil]

And somehow there is still a reason they (were or) are uni-sex.

[Drolefille]

Uh, right, the sexism in the religion that reflects (and magnifies) the sexism in society where was this unacknowledged? And how does it relate to the use of the co-ed?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And how does it relate to the use of the co-ed?

Uh...I was replying to naraht's post. You were replying to mine. This is all very straightforward if you're perplexed. LOL

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Uh...I was replying to naraht's post. You were replying to mine. This is all very straightforward if you're perplexed. LOL

Sorry, I'm relating it back to your original comment, your #3. I was as perplexed by the relevance then as I am now, not confused about the train of the converstion as a whole

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Sorry, I'm relating it back to your original comment, your #3. I was as perplexed by the relevance then as I am now, not confused about the train of the converstion as a whole

Long and already redundant story short: It is linked with #1 and #4.

All in all, the point to be made has already been made.

[AXiD.in.pearls]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Emphasis on the bolded. If the school/Greek system is small to begin with, the entire world probably knows the girl's pregnant immediately anyway and terminating her as an act of "so no one finds out and it doesn't hurt us in rush or our rep" would be pointless. A bigger school/system, that's a different kettle of fish.

That's not necessarily true. I went to one of those bigger schools with a bigger system (we have 17 sororities) and a member from another chapter became pregnant and quietly stepped away to get ready to have her baby and settle into motherhood. yeah EVERY ONE in the greek system knew who it was.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AXiD.in.pearls

That's not necessarily true. I went to one of those bigger schools with a bigger system (we have 17 sororities) and a member from another chapter became pregnant and quietly stepped away to get ready to have her baby and settle into motherhood. yeah EVERY ONE in the greek system knew who it was.

So you purposely seek out a thread to continue the gossip spreading. How Panhellenic of you.

[jenidallas]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

1. She drops out of school and makes up a story that she has to go take care of her terminally ill grandmother.
2. Despite your best efforts to stay in touch, she's suddenly gone gone gone. No one can reach her.
3. She returns the next year, and somehow she's "different" but you can't exactly explain why. She's a little heavier and feels the need to talk about her grandmother's southern cooking and how she made biscuits every night, even though she was TERMINALLY ILL.

Five years after graduation you all get together for your first "reunion". She doesn't show up, but one of your chapter sisters finally breaks out the story after a late night of revelry, drinking, and stories about how much fun it was in college....yep, in case y'all didn't know what happened, she was PREGNANT and so and so was the father and he never offered to marry her.

Welcome to 1968. Happened in countless houses on campuses everywhere, and it happened a lot in the South. Happened to my big sis! Except she got the boy to marry her. Last I heard they were still married.

Hell, welcome to the early 90s in Texas. We had this happen at least once a year at my house with some variation. It happened to my little sis shortly after initiation. It happened to my recently pledged rush crush the following year. And I saw several variations of it play out across all four years.

To me, how a house handles the unexpected says volumes about how they will treat a sister on an average day. Not that I'd encourage adversity for adversity's sake, but life happens. I don't remember any disclaimer that the bonds of sisterhood were only valid while life is peaches and cream. But be thoughtful and classy and discrete as yo do what will best support that sister during what is no doubt a difficult time for her.

[AXiD.in.pearls]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

So you purposely seek out a thread to continue the gossip spreading. How Panhellenic of you.

No, i'm not she's from around our school so she actually went back to her chapter and was an executive member after she gave birth, i give her major props. Plus her kid is precious and she's an awesome mom.

I was just saying that just because you go to a big school doesnt mean people dont know. It jsut means that it gets out to more people