Toronto, Canada Delta Kappa Epsilon Drug Raid Reported

[exlurker]

Another news story,

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20...19256-sun.html

includes quotes from a resident of the house. Excerpt:

"Everybody was hanging out at the house -- we get together to watch TV and party a little bit -- and there was a big bang at the door," Andrew Weiner, a resident of the house, said.

"One of the guys goes out, looks down the hallway and comes back and says 'there's a man pointing a gun to our house,' " he said. "Next thing we know there's plainclothes guys everywhere, people are on the floor."

Those who ran out the back door were arrested . . . . "They went through the entire house and took a bunch of us down (for questioning at the police station)," said Weiner, who was released without charges.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by ChrisAnders

First of all let me clarify a couple of things: The raid was a cocaine trafficking raid with an unknown amount of cocaine being found(supposedly 125,000 worth, which I think is ridiculous because no one knew about the cocaine and if no one knew about the cocaine why would anyone carry enough to make 100 grand with no one interested in buying it). The amounts of Ketamine and Mushrooms were minuscule and only for personal use. One explanation is that the under cover police baited one of the arrested individuals into producing as much cocaine as he could for a transaction and then the raid went down. Then all of the sudden this large amount of cocaine became a piece of stationary in the house and the individual responsible for the transaction became the owner of that massive amount of coke. The article has an inaccuracy. The police did not knock, they charged the front door, even though they need to knock and ask for access showing the search warrant. I guess they must have assumed that armed fraternity gunmen were holding millions of dollars worth of cocaine were going to barricade themselves and take hostages....not. There were witnesses standing directly outside of the main entrance when the raid happened and their testimony directly contradicts the media reports of a lawful entrance. but...they had plain clothes officers inside the building at the time of the raid and knew by name exactly who they wanted to arrest. But then again there was no arrest warrant, only a search warrant for the main floor of the building. The raid was also performed illegally on the residences of the second and third floor of the building. Some of the victims were in their rooms when police stormed their rooms told them to get on the floor and handcuffed them. Everyone in the building was gathered in a room on the main floor under a thing called investigative detention, where everyone was I.D.ed and asked questions for about an hour. A witness described the experience as shocking, "having police barge into your room and being told to lay on the floor while being handcuffed is not my idea of an ideal Friday night." Many of the residents, who are students are shocked and in disbelief that there was any cocaine dealing in the house. Which I personally find agreeable since I frequent the house quite often and share a couple of beers with my DKE friend. I'm not a fan of hippie stuff like police brutality and media lies but the shit that went down in the DKE house and the media reports thereafter are a bunch of bullshit meant to justify the raid and portray Delta Kappa Epsilon and the fellow fraternities and sororities as the stereotypical uneducated drunkards. Hope this stuff doesn't bring you guys down, you rock!

Easy casey jones...

You must have made off with some quality stuff from there.

[CrackerBarrel]

I don't see the "innocent individuals are being punished" side of this as being legitimate.

At most chapters you know when guys in the house are even doing coke and what guys it is, how can you "not know" that $125,000 worth of cocaine (at least 4 kilos) is in your house. Hell, that's 4,000 grams. You can go to schools that are known for having drugs in their greek life and not find that much in all of the fraternities combined.

I mean it sucks that everyone is going to be hurt by this, but with that amount it seems like it would be the worst kept secret around.

[EE825]

first of all, one thing you should all know is that the police put the highest street sale price into use when they calculate the amounts of narcotics in a drug raid. There's no way it was 4 kilos.

Second, it is never easy confronting one of your Brothers, especially if you dont know exactly what is going on. Approaching an alumni is probably even harder. No one but the Dekes know the situation in their house, how close they are with each other and who knows what about who. They are a pretty big chapter so the chance that they didn't all know what was going on is probably the case.

You can't blame a house of 50+ members for the mistakes of one alumni and one active. Sure you have a responsibility to know whats going on and keep your house clean but at the end of the day, this was not a Deke mistake, it is the mistake of 2 individuals who thought they could get away with something stupid. The law is really good at catching these people, however long it takes.

I am a U of T Greek and it is really shitty that we are going to be seen in an even worse light than before. Fraternities and sororities have a really rich history at our school and have not been recognized by the University since the 80's. The University for the most part does not speak out against fraternal life and is not ANTI-GREEK, they just don't say anything at all. More of the problem comes from newspapers on campus sometimes, but not for a really long time. However, this has not given ammunition and fueled the fire, and now there is no chance of any recognition or anything like that, if there was a small chance in the future. It is also going to make recruitment and formal recruitment more difficult. Just as the stereotypes seemed to be faded...they are back and even worse now because the media is making this a huge issue that is on the news and in newspapers. Both students and parents will have this in their minds when rush comes around.

I agree that the FSC along with Panhellenic and possibly a committee formed with members of all fraternities needs to come together and work really hard this September to clean up the mess....which is not Dekes mess, it is the mess of 2 guys that is going to affect an entire community.

At the end of the day, Greek life has made it through a lot in Toronto, it'll make it through this too. It's just a shame that 2 people can cast such a bad light on such an important part of U of T life.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by EE825

first of all, one thing you should all know is that the police put the highest street sale price into use when they calculate the amounts of narcotics in a drug raid. There's no way it was 4 kilos.

Second, it is never easy confronting one of your Brothers, especially if you dont know exactly what is going on. Approaching an alumni is probably even harder. No one but the Dekes know the situation in their house, how close they are with each other and who knows what about who. They are a pretty big chapter so the chance that they didn't all know what was going on is probably the case.

You can't blame a house of 50+ members for the mistakes of one alumni and one active. Sure you have a responsibility to know whats going on and keep your house clean but at the end of the day, this was not a Deke mistake, it is the mistake of 2 individuals who thought they could get away with something stupid. The law is really good at catching these people, however long it takes.

I am a U of T Greek and it is really shitty that we are going to be seen in an even worse light than before. Fraternities and sororities have a really rich history at our school and have not been recognized by the University since the 80's. The University for the most part does not speak out against fraternal life and is not ANTI-GREEK, they just don't say anything at all. More of the problem comes from newspapers on campus sometimes, but not for a really long time. However, this has not given ammunition and fueled the fire, and now there is no chance of any recognition or anything like that, if there was a small chance in the future. It is also going to make recruitment and formal recruitment more difficult. Just as the stereotypes seemed to be faded...they are back and even worse now because the media is making this a huge issue that is on the news and in newspapers. Both students and parents will have this in their minds when rush comes around.

I agree that the FSC along with Panhellenic and possibly a committee formed with members of all fraternities needs to come together and work really hard this September to clean up the mess....which is not Dekes mess, it is the mess of 2 guys that is going to affect an entire community.

At the end of the day, Greek life has made it through a lot in Toronto, it'll make it through this too. It's just a shame that 2 people can cast such a bad light on such an important part of U of T life.

Lets call it normal street price of $50/gram, it's still over 2.5 kilos. I'm not faulting the organization as a whole and certainly not Toronto greek life, but to claim that people living in the house didn't know something was going on is absurd. Heck, I think drug enforcement is overdone in the first place, I'm not trying to make a big deal of it, I'm just pointing out that it is an absurd amount of blow.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Lets call it normal street price of $50/gram, it's still over 2.5 kilos. I'm not faulting the organization as a whole and certainly not Toronto greek life, but to claim that people living in the house didn't know something was going on is absurd. Heck, I think drug enforcement is overdone in the first place, I'm not trying to make a big deal of it, I'm just pointing out that it is an absurd amount of blow.

There are rumors of cocaine buffets down in Auburn back in the day...I'm pretty sure a few kilos will suffice for one of those buffets.

[Firefruze]

Very well said EE825, I agree. I think as individual chapters we also need to fall back to our risk management policies themselves. Ensuring that there aren't further incidents which could expose us to more media scrutiny and demonstrating that we hold ourselves to a higher standard than even many university students we can hopefully demonstrate at a campus level that we play a positive part of the University.

[Taualumna]

Has a DKE rep spoken w/ the media yet? We don't seem to be hearing DKE's side of the story.

[Firefruze]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

Has a DKE rep spoken w/ the media yet? We don't seem to be hearing DKE's side of the story.

Yes someone has :

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...raternity.html

I personally don't think the statements made were very strong, and I think that's why we haven't heard anything further. I think at this moment DKE is going to investigate the issue and give out punishment where its due, and hope ( like the rest of us) that this issue is just going to fade away......