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Old 07-01-2008, 05:23 PM
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first of all, one thing you should all know is that the police put the highest street sale price into use when they calculate the amounts of narcotics in a drug raid. There's no way it was 4 kilos.

Second, it is never easy confronting one of your Brothers, especially if you dont know exactly what is going on. Approaching an alumni is probably even harder. No one but the Dekes know the situation in their house, how close they are with each other and who knows what about who. They are a pretty big chapter so the chance that they didn't all know what was going on is probably the case.

You can't blame a house of 50+ members for the mistakes of one alumni and one active. Sure you have a responsibility to know whats going on and keep your house clean but at the end of the day, this was not a Deke mistake, it is the mistake of 2 individuals who thought they could get away with something stupid. The law is really good at catching these people, however long it takes.

I am a U of T Greek and it is really shitty that we are going to be seen in an even worse light than before. Fraternities and sororities have a really rich history at our school and have not been recognized by the University since the 80's. The University for the most part does not speak out against fraternal life and is not ANTI-GREEK, they just don't say anything at all. More of the problem comes from newspapers on campus sometimes, but not for a really long time. However, this has not given ammunition and fueled the fire, and now there is no chance of any recognition or anything like that, if there was a small chance in the future. It is also going to make recruitment and formal recruitment more difficult. Just as the stereotypes seemed to be faded...they are back and even worse now because the media is making this a huge issue that is on the news and in newspapers. Both students and parents will have this in their minds when rush comes around.

I agree that the FSC along with Panhellenic and possibly a committee formed with members of all fraternities needs to come together and work really hard this September to clean up the mess....which is not Dekes mess, it is the mess of 2 guys that is going to affect an entire community.

At the end of the day, Greek life has made it through a lot in Toronto, it'll make it through this too. It's just a shame that 2 people can cast such a bad light on such an important part of U of T life.
Lets call it normal street price of $50/gram, it's still over 2.5 kilos. I'm not faulting the organization as a whole and certainly not Toronto greek life, but to claim that people living in the house didn't know something was going on is absurd. Heck, I think drug enforcement is overdone in the first place, I'm not trying to make a big deal of it, I'm just pointing out that it is an absurd amount of blow.
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Old 07-01-2008, 06:00 PM
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Lets call it normal street price of $50/gram, it's still over 2.5 kilos. I'm not faulting the organization as a whole and certainly not Toronto greek life, but to claim that people living in the house didn't know something was going on is absurd. Heck, I think drug enforcement is overdone in the first place, I'm not trying to make a big deal of it, I'm just pointing out that it is an absurd amount of blow.
There are rumors of cocaine buffets down in Auburn back in the day...I'm pretty sure a few kilos will suffice for one of those buffets.
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