Kappa Beta Gamma/Kappa Delta

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by chitownxo

Yeah, I see a problem with this...but then again, my mom's a KBG alum from the LUC Chapter which affilated with KKG last year. To me if you pledge your loyalty to a sisterhood then drop it to join a bigger one....well, how loyal are you, really?

I agree.

[Senusret I]

^^^ I agree with that sentiment.

My point of view is...where does it end? Like, what's to say an NPC couldn't just pick up a chapter of an NPHC? Or an all-female chapter of APO (it happens)?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

^^^ I agree with that sentiment.

My point of view is...where does it end? Like, what's to say an NPC couldn't just pick up a chapter of an NPHC? Or an all-female chapter of APO (it happens)?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

^^^ I agree with that sentiment.

My point of view is...where does it end? Like, what's to say an NPC couldn't just pick up a chapter of an NPHC? Or an all-female chapter of APO (it happens)?

While I'm not interested in passing judgment on the particulars mentioned here, I see what you mean.

I'd like to see the NPC try to show more deference to non-NPC groups, particularly if the non-NPC group is holding itself out as national.

I don't particularly find KKG or KD at fault in the situations we're discussing, but it wouldn't seem to be a good trend.


*although I don't think there's anyway that an NPC could pick up a chapter of a NPHC. Even if the women were interested, which seems unlikely, it would be a PR disaster. We're, for the most part, willing to accept that the NPC's were able to offer locals or KBG chapters something that wasn't available to them without NPC affiliation. Nobody with any sense is going to be prepared to make the case, especially publicly, that NPC membership offers something that NPHC membership doesn't. How would that go: "Um, yeah, but we're predominantly white or we're bigger and that's always better."

[shadokat]

I think the reason I'm OK with this is because KD didn't take a chapter from another NPC. That being said, some NPC groups have the resources to find these types of chapters who want to affiliate with an NPC group and all it has to offer, and absorb them. While this group sought out NPC affiliation, I would hope that it wasn't contacted prior to that by any NPC group, because that just wouldn't be right.

It seems to be, and this is no slight against KD, that extension has become cutthroat competitive, and universities that once had no chance to get a Tri Delta or a KKG to come to their schools are now getting bombarded when they open for expansion by ALL NPC groups. So every opportunity is one more feather in the cap, so to speak!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by shadokat

I think the reason I'm OK with this is because KD didn't take a chapter from another NPC. That being said, some NPC groups have the resources to find these types of chapters who want to affiliate with an NPC group and all it has to offer, and absorb them. While this group sought out NPC affiliation, I would hope that it wasn't contacted prior to that by any NPC group, because that just wouldn't be right.

It seems to be, and this is no slight against KD, that extension has become cutthroat competitive, and universities that once had no chance to get a Tri Delta or a KKG to come to their schools are now getting bombarded when they open for expansion by ALL NPC groups. So every opportunity is one more feather in the cap, so to speak!

It is disappointing to see the NPC as a whole mistreat KBG. I don't think KD was in the wrong here, but the NPC policies should not allow this, they should be supportive of smaller national sororities with the idea of increasing their size and viability, not pecking away at them.

[dukemama]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It is disappointing to see the NPC as a whole mistreat KBG. I don't think KD was in the wrong here, but the NPC policies should not allow this, they should be supportive of smaller national sororities with the idea of increasing their size and viability, not pecking away at them.

Just curious...besides KBG, are there any other smaller national non-NPC sororities?

[DolphinChicaDDD]

I'm not really saying this to anyone in particular, but have you ever had to pledge loyalty to one group and then have to pledge loyalty to another? I don't mean I pledged an NPC and now I'm pledging a APO or anything like that. I mean have you pledged one sorority and had to pledge to another one? I have. I pledged my loyalty to Alpha Theta Phi and then 6 months later, I had to pledge loyalty to Delta Delta Delta. It was one of most difficult things that I, and many of my sisters, had to do. I pledged a local, only to find out 3 weeks later that we needed to find an national because of our local NPC's decision to expand after not allowing it for almost 2 years. The day of our initiation into Tri Delta, I was torn. I had been part of a group, a group because it was so young, I knew very well and had helped mold. I knew the women who created our ritual, and respected them and the ritual maybe more because it was amazing.

My point is, don't throw this women into a group of "how dare they! they pledged one group and are now pledging loyalty to another group!" because if you are going to throw that line around, you might as well say the same thing about people who pledge two different organizations. I'm sure these women didn't take either pledge lightly. They wanted more than KGB offered, but at the same time, I'm sure they still were upset at having to come to that conclusion. From the moment I joined my local, I knew it would only be a matter of time before we outgrew it and kind of in the back of my mind always knew the group would become national I just didn't think it would happen so quickly.

[Xidelt]

Originally Posted by dukemama

Just curious...besides KBG, are there any other smaller national non-NPC sororities?

Kappa Delta Phi NAS is the only one I can think of. It has 12 or 13 chapters in the northeast. There are others listed in other threads, but they are all professional/social sororities associated with specific majors (engineering, agriculture, etc)

[dukemama]

Originally Posted by Xidelt

Kappa Delta Phi NAS is the only one I can think of. It has 12 or 13 chapters in the northeast. There are others listed in other threads, but they are all professional/social sororities associated with specific majors (engineering, agriculture, etc)

Cool...thanks for the info!

[nittanyalum]

I finally read through this whole thread, fascinating!

I'll agree the KD absorption was on the up-and-up, all sides attest to that, though I'm sure it still stings KBG's nationals. The KKG absorption, though, sounds like it was very poorly handled. It's interesting that no KKGs have leapt into the conversation.

But to BootyKGB, while, again, I can imagine losing these chapters is painful, you yourself pointed out that your "national office" at one point was one lone alum and it's been pointed out by others that chapters weren't provided with materials, structure, support, etc. So to then toss out the comment that the F&M women made their decision ultimately just because "they wanted to be able to buy stuff with their letters on it" (especially in this day and age when you can get customized stuff made with great ease), is unfair, simplistic and relieves KBG national org of any responsibility, which it does hold for the support and betterment of its chapters.

[BootyKBG]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I finally read through this whole thread, fascinating!

I'll agree the KD absorption was on the up-and-up, all sides attest to that, though I'm sure it still stings KBG's nationals. The KKG absorption, though, sounds like it was very poorly handled. It's interesting that no KKGs have leapt into the conversation.

But to BootyKGB, while, again, I can imagine losing these chapters is painful, you yourself pointed out that your "national office" at one point was one lone alum and it's been pointed out by others that chapters weren't provided with materials, structure, support, etc. So to then toss out the comment that the F&M women made their decision ultimately just because "they wanted to be able to buy stuff with their letters on it" (especially in this day and age when you can get customized stuff made with great ease), is unfair, simplistic and relieves KBG national org of any responsibility, which it does hold for the support and betterment of its chapters.

I only said that as that was honestly one of the reasons they wanted to disaffiliate...no lie. I do completely understand their other reasons for choosing to change affiliation and we WERE working with the chapter to do so. The problem here lies in that they were able to affiliate with another sorority before actually finishing the disaffiliation process with their (at that time) current sorority. This is absolutely taboo between NPC affiliated sororities, so why is it ok to absorb a non-NPC sorority without acknowledging the same processes? We are a National Social Sorority that simply acts on a much smaller scale. We acknowledge that we are not financially able to provide all of the same things that the enormous organizations are able to, however we have frequent direct contact with our chapters and support them directly in ways that many larger organizations are not able to. We do have annual conventions, education processes, organized monthly meetings, national and alumnae advisors, etc. So I'm not denying that the chapter had legit reasons, I'm arguing that the processes should be the same no matter who the governing board pledges allegiances to.

[ISUKappa]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

IThe KKG absorption, though, sounds like it was very poorly handled. It's interesting that no KKGs have leapt into the conversation.

Most likely it's because none of us have first-hand knowledge of the situation surrounding the installation of the Eta Lambda chapter at Loyola. Even if someone did, I highly doubt they would share that information out of discretion.

[AOII Angel]

By the way, I looked at the "What's New?" section of the KGB website and found something really funny.
http://www.kappabetagamma.org/News.htm

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

By the way, I looked at the "What's New?" section of the KGB website and found something really funny.
http://www.kappabetagamma.org/News.htm

When was the last time anyone updated the website? 2004? Is it that hard to update a website? I think not.

A few months ago, I don't know if it was BootyKBG or another member, but a member said that they are committed to their plans to expand to more and more campuses. If that's true, then why no updated website? That's the first thing people look at when they want to know more about you.

Instead of national officers putting former chapters and members on blast, perhaps they might find better use of their time improving their leadership and internal affairs of their organization.