question about de-brothering

[Confuzzled23]

I don't understand why its so serious about dropping out and joining another fraternity.. its a club/organization just like anything else out there, sure its got its secrets but its not like u know how to convert lead into gold or somethin.

I just dont get why its such a big deal?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Confuzzled23

I don't understand why its so serious about dropping out and joining another fraternity.. its a club/organization just like anything else out there, sure its got its secrets but its not like u know how to convert lead into gold or somethin.

I just dont get why its such a big deal?

You don't deserve to be in a Fraternity.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Confuzzled23

I don't understand why its so serious about dropping out and joining another fraternity.. its a club/organization just like anything else out there, sure its got its secrets but its not like u know how to convert lead into gold or somethin.

I just dont get why its such a big deal?

When you pledged or were initiated into your present fraternity, did you take a vow or oath to be loyal to that fraternity and not to pledge any other fraternity? (Answer this in your head, not online.) That would be one reason it is a big deal. I don't know too many clubs or organizations where that kind of promise is made.

Loyalty is another. Joining a fraternity is (or should be) a life-time commitment, not a three- or four-year or while-I-feel-like-it hitch. If you're not in it for the long-haul, you might as well not bother.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DPUDChi

I do have to ask, though, does this counts for non-secretive fraternities, such as Delta Upsilon? Can DU initiate a inactive member of another fraternity, and can DX initiate an inactive DU (or any other non-secretive fraternity)?

AFAIK, the only difference between DU and other NIC fraternities is that their ritual is secret. The not joining another group doesn't have to do with other people being able to see the ritual, it has to do with the oaths you took. Whether you took them in the presence of only your brothers or in front of the whole campus community shouldn't matter.

Oh, and I agree with Alpha Frog. I sincerely hope the LSU brothers are reading this thread.

[SWTXBelle]

There are a slew of other types of clubs you can join - I'd suggest you look into those.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DPUDChi

I do have to ask, though, does this counts for non-secretive fraternities, such as Delta Upsilon? Can DU initiate a inactive member of another fraternity, and can DX initiate an inactive DU (or any other non-secretive fraternity)?

Delta Upsilon and Alpha Kappa Lambda (the other NIC fraternity that is "non-secretive") are members of the NIC. As such, for a member of either fraternity to potentially join another NIC - or visa verse - the member would need to terminate their membership and be granted a release by the IHQ before he can do so.

[Questquetupense]

Here's another scenario,
Let's say ethically, there's another reason for wanting to deactivate from a chapter. By ethically, I mean there is a conflict with members in the chapter and their exposure to ethnic diversity, sexuality, religious affiliation, economic class, etc.

I know of a few (if not more than I dare to mention) guys that have described their membership as being "sold something, and didn't get their money's worth". Granted these are smaller schools in my area away from metropolitan areas where the majority of the members are from these secluded areas or upperclass clusters founded the organizations.

Nevertheless, should these young men be "harrassed" or "made fun of" for characteristics that are out of their control? And secondly, shouldn't they have the right to be released from an "abusive relationship", much like that of a marriage that is detrimental to you psychological wellness. Marriage is a good example in that, you take an oath to do certain things. Abuse is not covered in the ceremony's text, it's more like a grey area. What do you guy's think?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Questquetupense

Should these young men be "harrassed" or "made fun of" for characteristics that are out of their control?

No they should not. Unfortunately, it happens.

And secondly, shouldn't they have the right to be released from an "abusive relationship", much like that of a marriage that is detrimental to you psychological wellness. Marriage is a good example in that, you take an oath to do certain things. Abuse is not covered in the ceremony's text, it's more like a grey area. What do you guy's think?

Yes. They have the right to terminate their membership.

[knight_shadow]

Ugh. Every time I see "de-brothering" I want to throw up.

[moe.ron]

I keep thinking de-flowering.