Bisexual Student Says He Was Harassed by Fraternity

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by agzg

Can I just predict the thread now and save us all a lot of work?

One side: "OMG, he totally should have predicted that he would be harassed for being bisexual. He deserved it, or at least some of the blame."

Other side: "No one expects to be humiliated by a group he or she thought they were a part of in front of an auditorium full of people. A person cannot be responsible for the way others harass them."

Random poster: "This seems like victim blaming."

Kevin: "Something about rape."

First group: "Well there are things people can do to prevent blah blah blah share the blame."

Other group: *collective facepalm*

Everyone (but Kevin, who sits back and watches with glee the carnage he oh so obviously caused): bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan bitch moan bitch

Everyone again: "I need a nap."


You're welcome, I just saved us days of posting.

Dang you for locking your PMs.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Dang you for locking your PMs.

I'm just waiting for ShawnMack to start sending out creepy, "Imma lock you in my basement"-type PMs before he gets banned. Perhaps I'll turn them on again after that. Batten down the hatches, and that. That is not to say that those who do not turn off their PMs deserve the creepy, "Imma lock you in my basement"-type PMs.

Also, Kevin, you are not following the script.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by agzg

I'm just waiting for ShawnMack to start sending out creepy, "Imma lock you in my basement"-type PMs before he gets banned. Perhaps I'll turn them on again after that. Batten down the hatches, and that. That is not to say that those who do not turn off their PMs deserve the creepy, "Imma lock you in my basement"-type PMs.

Also, Kevin, you are not following the script.

You'd think the gay slurs would be enough.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You'd think the gay slurs would be enough.

Come on now, you know better than that.

[DrPhil]

We read about the hazing. I don't consider discrimination claims to be less important than hazing allegations. This article and this thread were simply presented as being more about more than "another hazing incident." Dropping because of hazing and then discussing the homophobia doesn't mean that the homophobia is the lesser of the two evils. Schools and national headquarters are fully capable of investigating more than one charge and holding chapters and individuals accountable for all of it.

We also stated that it isn't clear exactly what went on at the probate show and who was making the comments. However, the comments were made within the context of the fraternity so it isn't far fetched that it goes back to the fraternity. I've been to tons of coming out shows and the audience pretty much does what they consider to be appropriate for them to do. In the instances where audiences have done something that the fraternity or sorority would deem inappropriate, it was the task of the fraternity or sorority to restore respect and keep the peace if at all possible (which sometimes results in a fight).

I figure the fraternity in this instance provided the setting for him to be harassed for his sexual orientation and intentionally let it go from there. We shall see if that is the case.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

We read about the hazing. I don't consider discrimination claims to be less important than hazing allegations. This article and this thread were simply presented as being more about more than "another hazing incident." Dropping because of hazing and then discussing the homophobia doesn't mean that the homophobia is the lesser of the two evils.

I prefer to react to conduct rather than speech. It's more telling about motive/intent/etc. By his conduct, we know that he stuck with the organization despite being hazed. We can at least infer by the audience's conduct that he wasn't booted from the organization because of his orientation, nor by his own words is that why he left. The only actual discriminatory incident which took place with regard to the fraternity was a member--presumably not even an officer, maybe even a pledge, who said something stupid, but that is an individual saying something stupid, not the organization taking a discriminatory stance.

Schools and national headquarters are fully capable of investigating more than one charge and holding chapters and individuals accountable for all of it.

Sure they are. But on the facts we have, some of the conclusions being made here, as I've said are a tad premature. They're dead because of hazing. Ain't no question. I wouldn't be upset if someone filed criminal charges and made an example out of them.

We also stated that it isn't clear exactly what went on at the probate show and who was making the comments. However, the comments were made within the context of the fraternity so it isn't far fetched that it goes back to the fraternity. I've been to tons of coming out shows and the audience pretty much does what they consider to be appropriate for them to do. In the instances where audiences have done something that the fraternity or sorority would deem inappropriate, it was the task of the fraternity or sorority to restore respect and keep the peace if at all possible (which sometimes results in a fight).

I'm sure you've been to more probate shows than I have. Since you say you've been to at least one, then you have. "It isn't far fetched" though, still amounts to an assumption. Isn't it better though, to know all of the facts before we start accusing entire fraternities of being homophobic?

I figure the fraternity in this instance provided the setting for him to be harassed for his sexual orientation and intentionally let it go from there. We shall see if that is the case.

Don't several organizations attend probate shows? It seems like the reason he was up in front of everyone was because of his status with his organization, not because he was bisexual. Do the initiates remain in the audience during a probate show? If the people making those gestures were members of the organization, isn't it a fairly safe assumption that the paper would have included that very important detail?

Either it didn't happen the way folks are assuming here or the paper is just godawful bad at recounting events.

[agzg]

It's just gonna end up in passive aggressive remarks in other threads about how "some people" do this or that. My vote is that "some people" who want to throw around "some people" remarks like they're some kind of martyr realize that the only thing they need to do to stop their martyrdom is to stop acting like some kind of demented victim.

How's that for victim blaming?

[Senusret I]

I wrote the book on this situation.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I wrote the book on this situation.

Lazarus plug?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Lambda Theta Phi is often cited as the first LGLO.

The 30s came before the 70s!

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Lazarus plug?

RERELEASE in SPRING 2011

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

The 30s came before the 70s!

Hence the "often"

RERELEASE in SPRING 2011

*waits to add to Amazon shopping cart*

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I wrote the book on this situation.

*as the heavens open and the angels sing*

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I wrote the book on this situation.

[DrPhil]

On that note, SenusretI, are you "intelligent" enough to believe that aspirants who don't run away, because of the homophobic tendencies of some members, are idiots?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

On that note, SenusretI, are you "intelligent" enough to believe that aspirants who don't run away, because of the homophobic tendencies of some members, are idiots?

No, I am not intelligent enough to believe that.

Gay, bisexual, and even eventually transgender people pledge fraternities all the time. I was one of them. I faced homophobia before and after I joined. I love my fraternity no less and realize that it is the homophobic idiots who are wrong, not me.

As many gay Lambdas as there are, this chapter needs to be dechartered for even asking about orientation.

and LMAO for the rampant ignorance in this thread. I feel like Emily Litela was here.