Delta Zeta Reportedly Sues DePauw - Page 11

Symbal · #**151** 03-29-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

"Kevin O'Neill, an attorney with Patton Boggs in Washington, D.C., who has been consulting with Delta Zeta officials but did not file the lawsuit. If punitive damages are awarded, he said, the sorority plans to reinvest that money into self-esteem programming for women at DePauw and re-establishing their chapter."

Programming? They're people, not computers!

Drolefille · #**152** 03-29-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Peony

I don't have a website link for the Legal Complaint. It was sent to me as a scanned pdf file.

Any chance you can share? I'd be willing to host it online.

DGMarie · #**153** 03-30-2007, 01:10 AM

Couldn't these types of legal wranglings cost lots of money? How much is DZ willing to drain their resources to make a case they might lose? Perhaps all DZ wants is a big ol' "I'm sorry" from Depauw and they felt this was the way to do it.

DGMarie · #**154** 03-30-2007, 01:24 AM

I just read this from the USA Today interview with their president:

Did your decisions have to do with physical appearance?

A: These women are proud of who they are, but this campus created an image of Delta Zetas that was unfair, and in that environment our women could not be successful. Never ever would we want that (message) conveyed.

I read her answer as: YES it did, but only because the mean old Depauw campus environment made us. After all, we want to be successful and this is how we will be successful.

Good grief!

mystikchick · #**155** 03-30-2007, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DGMarie

I just read this from the USA Today interview with their president:

Did your decisions have to do with physical appearance?

A: These women are proud of who they are, but this campus created an image of Delta Zetas that was unfair, and in that environment our women could not be successful. Never ever would we want that (message) conveyed.

it's unfair that the girls in that chapter didn't conform to the campus wide standard and so they couldn't be successful? of course! let's make it so that they DO conform and then all our problems will go away. so essentially, yes.

you really have to wonder what they're thinking...they're not making this ANY easier on themselves. whoever is advising them on what to say, etc should be fired asap.

Ch2tf · #**156** 03-30-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Heather17

Really? I know this was several pages ago but the reality is people have challenged Delta Zeta on the members they wanted to keep and challenged them on their reported criteria for selecting who would be retained. We're all upset for two reasons--because DZ made those women move out when they did (which, agreed, was heinous) AND because of the reported shallowness of the criteria they used.

I am not making judgments on the merits of their case--I am simply saying that I understand what they are trying to protect and I appreciate that they don't want anyone defaming them over their membership review and membership selection.

It is my understanding that besides the issue of the membership review (how it was conducted and the criteria used to decide who stays and who goes), the University decided to cut ties with DZ because of how they handled the situation post MR. Meaning how they began passing the blame around (putting a good portion of it on the University), not fully answering questions (as they did in the latest interview to USA today), denying "alumna" members their rights as sisters in good standing (financially)and their nixing all media commentary on the subject---which by the way is apparently a decision that has been recinded.

AlphaFrog · #**157** 03-30-2007, 07:41 AM

Question: Could NPC HQ send them some sort of "cease and desist" letter?

texas*princess · #**158** 03-30-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DGMarie

I just read this from the USA Today interview with their president:

Did your decisions have to do with physical appearance?

A: These women are proud of who they are, but this campus created an image of Delta Zetas that was unfair, and in that environment our women could not be successful. Never ever would we want that (message) conveyed.

I read her answer as: YES it did, but only because the mean old Depauw campus environment made us. After all, we want to be successful and this is how we will be successful.

Good grief!

That is how it sounded to me too... and that is why a lot of people will not be rallying behind DZ on this one.

"ooooooh poor me! we were forced to do unnatural things because of the big bad depauw campus!!!"

texas*princess · #**159** 03-30-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ch2tf

It is my understanding that besides the issue of the membership review (how it was conducted and the criteria used to decide who stays and who goes), the University decided to cut ties with DZ because of how they handled the situation post MR. Meaning how they began passing the blame around (putting a good portion of it on the University), not fully answering questions (as they did in the latest interview to USA today), denying "alumna" members their rights as sisters in good standing (financially)and their nixing all media commentary on the subject---which by the way is apparently a decision that has been recinded.

ding ding ding!!!!

MysticCat · #**160** 03-30-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

I was trying to frame a legal theory for "What comes around goes around." We'd have to call it "equitable estoppal as to third parties."

"Karmic estoppel," maybe?

JoinerLxa · #**161** 03-30-2007, 09:04 AM

AS USUAL, the only winners in this situation will be THE LAWYERS and
their personal bank accounts!

MysticCat · #**162** 03-30-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Peony

Just read the legal complaint, and a written contract between Delta Zeta and DePauw does exist called the Greek Standards Initiative.

Just read through the Greek Standards Initiative. I don't think it can be called a "contract." Anything where the purpose is described this way -- "the Greek Standards Initiative should serve as a resource document inthe spirit of self-betterment" -- and where we see "expectations" rather than "obligations" fails to meet the definition of a contract, in my opinion.

In any case, I didn't see anything in it one way or the other about withdrawal of University recognition -- just "expectations" with regard to GLOs that are recognized by the University.

Kevin · #**163** 03-30-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

"Karmic estoppel," maybe?

If only there was case law

33girl · #**164** 03-30-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Question: Could NPC HQ send them some sort of "cease and desist" letter?

Nope. They aren't suing on behalf of NPC or using any of NPC's resources. NPC doesn't have a "quit acting like an asshat" clause.

AlphaFrog · #**165** 03-30-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Nope. They aren't suing on behalf of NPC or using any of NPC's resources. NPC doesn't have a "quit acting like an asshat" clause.

Now might be a good time to consider adding one. I'm not really sure how they'd word it though.

I'm sure it'd be like one of those "memos" that my boss sends the "company" (aka, my co-worker and I) that are blatantly aimed at one of us, but she sends it to the "company" anyway to pretend like it's not.