Tragedy at University of Idaho

[jolene]

Originally Posted by Zach

There still isn’t any proof Trump was involved with the underaged sex trafficking. That’s what all this investigating is all about.

And the E Jean Carrol stuff was made up (and it was a civil trial, not criminal). There is an episode of Law and Order SVU that she stole her story from. No lie. And if you want to get into the RICO Georgia stuff, please do some digging on DA Fani Willis. She is shameless. She also insisted on the year long trial of Young Thug. Thanks for wasting tax payers' money and a jury's time.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by jolene

And the E Jean Carrol stuff was made up (and it was a civil trial, not criminal). There is an episode of Law and Order SVU that she stole her story from. No lie. And if you want to get into the RICO Georgia stuff, please do some digging on DA Fani Willis. She is shameless. She also insisted on the year long trial of Young Thug. Thanks for wasting tax payers' money and a jury's time.

I don’t know what your point is regarding the Idaho murders, but you terrify me. Fox News is not your friend. Turn off the screens and read some books.

[jolene]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I don’t know what your point is regarding the Idaho murders, but you terrify me. Fox News is not your friend. Turn off the screens and read some books.

Wow! I'm 'terrifying'. Yikes, I didn't know I had that much power.

And, yes, I read A LOT of many genres. And petty insults are't nice.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I don’t know what your point is regarding the Idaho murders, but you terrify me. Fox News is not your friend. Turn off the screens and read some books.

This!

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Who’s it directed to? Jolene? LOL!!

So… let’s be honest, Phrozen. If her IQ had ever clawed its way out of the single digits, or if she had even basic neural courage, she’d have addressed me directly. But when your cognitive depth rivals a pothole and your frontal lobe’s still buffering, the only strategy left is detour. So she took the scenic route through Zach — Cute. Safe. Expected.

Originally Posted by jolene

Wow! I'm 'terrifying'. Yikes, I didn't know I had that much power.

lol
You don’t. Do you realize you’re defending a pussy grabbing, rape deflecting, felony stacking, Epstein-adjacent disgrace of a man, and expecting the rest of us to take you seriously?

Frankly? If ignorance had a fragrance, you’d be wearing it like perfume.

You’re not supporting a president. You’re worshipping a walking court date in a red tie, and trying to pass it off as “values.”

Let’s be real, the only thing Trump ever grabbed with confidence was women who said no, and dumb supporters like you who never did the math.

You’re defending a man who’s bragged about sexual assault, been found liable for it, convicted of 34 felonies, and spent more time around Epstein than his own wife, and somehow, you thought this was your moment to sound smart?

Sweetheart, your political opinions have the intellectual weight of canned air, and if IQ were gas mileage, yours wouldn’t get you out of the driveway.

You’re not informed, you’re just confidently loud in the presence of Google. And if you think clinging to Trump makes you bold, it doesn’t. It just makes you another uninformed bystander in a red hat, yelling over facts you’ve never even read.

The moron you worship grabs women by their vaginas and the only thing you’ve grabbed is a worldview five brain cells short of coherence. Sit down and be quiet.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by jolene

Wow! I'm 'terrifying'. Yikes, I didn't know I had that much power.

And, yes, I read A LOT of many genres. And petty insults are't nice.

I wasn’t trying to be nice, but the state of politics has absolutely nothing to do with these murders. You can do better than trying to tie politics to the senseless slaughter of these kids. They deserve to be living their best lives.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I wasn’t trying to be nice, but the state of politics has absolutely nothing to do with these murders. You can do better than trying to tie politics to the senseless slaughter of these kids. They deserve to be living their best lives.

I totally get the urge to respond, believe me. But honestly, she’s not worth it. She’s not here to have a real conversation.

The mods already asked for less back and forth, and I’d rather respect that than let her drag things down more than she already has. Some people honestly thrive on getting reactions, and silence tends to frustrate them more than anything we could say.

As far as I’m concerned, her posts here discredit themselves. No response needed.

Come join me and Phrozen instead, where the logic lives.

[cheerfulgreek]

Anyone else think BK dodged the bullet like I do?

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Then what’s the point of saying life in prison without parole? That’s really stupid and makes no sense. No parole should mean no parole.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Right?? I mean, that’s literally what I’ve always thought too. Like, if you say “life without parole”, that should be it. Period. No fine print, no “well technically, if the moon is in retrograde and a governor 30 years from now gets sentimental…” uhh… yeah. No.

But apparently, there’s always this tiny back door left open, like clemency or a pardon, even if it’s super rare. It’s more of a legal technicality than a realistic option, but still. I think they do it to give the justice system flexibility in case something comes to light, like wrongful conviction? Maybe? I don’t really know exactly. But let’s be honest, it also makes it feel like even the most final sounding sentences have a “maybe” clause. Know what I mean? And for victims families? That’s gotta be brutal.

So yeah… I agree with you, Phrozen. No parole should mean no parole. Not “mostly no” with a legal asterisk.

“Justice” in America depends less on what’s right, and more on what can be proven and collected. It makes sense but doesn’t make sense too, depending on the crime.

You’re right, but technically there’s a difference between sentencing guidelines and constitutional authority.

Governors and presidents have clemency power, and that includes pardons and commutations, like you mentioned. But it exists to correct injustices like if new evidence surfaces years later, or if someone was clearly sentenced unfairly under outdated laws. It’s not about being sentimental (though that happens), it’s about preserving a failsafe in the justice system.

You’re also right that it can feel like a “maybe clause” for sentences that should feel final. And that’s hard, especially for victims families. But from a legal standpoint, the idea is no system run by people will ever be perfect, so we build in rare exceptions just in case.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Anyone else think BK dodged the bullet like I do?

I don’t think he dodged the bullet, I think he jumped right in front of it. I get that you believe in the death penalty, but I’d rather be dead than spend life in prison. And I don’t say that lightly.

When you strip someone of freedom, you’re not just taking away physical movement, you’re erasing their sense of purpose, privacy, and identity. As a school teacher, I’ve spent my life believing in growth, contribution, and connection. Prison is the antithesis of all of that. It’s a system built to contain, not to heal. That’s why I don’t know why they’re called “corrections” or “correctional facilities”. People come out worse than they were when they went in.

You wake up in a cage, go to sleep in a cage, and every decision — what you eat, when you speak, where you stand belongs to someone else. You become a number, not a name. For some people, that’s survivable. For me, that’s not life. That’s existing inside a slow death.

I believe in accountability, no doubt. But if I were ever in a position where my actions earned me life behind bars, I’d rather face the final consequence than live out my days in a concrete box. I’ll take the lethal injection. A couple of jolts, a few quick spasms, and I’m free.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Anyone else think BK dodged the bullet like I do?

He dodged the death penalty. Personally, I think I'd rather be dead than in prison for the rest of my life though.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I totally get the urge to respond, believe me. But honestly, she’s not worth it. She’s not here to have a real conversation.

The mods already asked for less back and forth, and I’d rather respect that than let her drag things down more than she already has. Some people honestly thrive on getting reactions, and silence tends to frustrate them more than anything we could say.

As far as I’m concerned, her posts here discredit themselves. No response needed.

Come join me and Phrozen instead, where the logic lives.

You’re right. This case really got to me; it really makes my heart hurt.