A Victory for Sororities: Education Department Rules Sororities Are for Women Only

[cheerfulgreek]

Lane swerve.

I skipped sororities on purpose. I mean, I already had enough drama in AIM chats and dorm hallway gossip, but even I know a man in a dress doesn’t make him a woman. That’s not empowerment, it’s cosplay with hormones. And trust me, if I were in a sorority, I’d smile and say, “Congrats on your new pronouns, but no, you’re still not getting a bid.” You don’t rush your way into womanhood. Try again … oh wait, you can’t. Sorry.

End lane swerve.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

With all due respect, I hear your argument about how it’s hard to verify someone’s biological sex, but let me be clear, as a professional artist and designer who’s spent decades studying and teaching figure drawing and human anatomy, the male and female body are not interchangeable. Even without obvious markers, you can spot the difference in structure, proportion, and movement.

Arms are a perfect example. Men’s elbows hang differently, their shoulders sit wider, and their range of motion is more angular. Women have a softer rotation and a more curved skeletal balance. And that’s just arms. The hands and feet tell their own story too. Men typically have broader palms, thicker fingers, and squarer hand shapes. Women’s hands are more tapered, with narrower wrists and more delicate finger articulation. The same applies to feet. Men’s feet are generally wider and flatter with bulkier ankles, while women’s feet have higher arches, narrower structure, and finer bone definition.

Pelvic tilt, clavicle width, limb ratio, gait, it’s all biologically coded. These are anatomical realities that you can’t surgically replicate or hormone away.

You don’t need DNA tests, you need eyes and honesty. That’s all you need. Saying “how would we even know?” only works if we all agree to ignore everything we already do know about the human body.

Biology isn’t a belief system, it’s a blueprint. You don’t identify into a skeleton. The body always tells the truth, even when people don’t.

Wow! LOL!!!! Dude, this is insane detail only a trained eye can see. Some things are obvious, but damn! Lmao!

But I get it. You know through drawing this shit most of your life Lol. Interesting info though, PB.

Originally Posted by honeychile

It stands for Daughters of the American Revolution. It's for women who have an ancestor who served for the Patriots/Continental line during the Revolution. Interestingly, the SONS of the American Revolution (SAR) do not accept transgender applicants.
Yeah, I'm into genealogy!

I learned something new. Are you a member, honeychile? Just me being curious.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Lane swerve.

I skipped sororities on purpose. I mean, I already had enough drama in AIM chats and dorm hallway gossip, but even I know a man in a dress doesn’t make him a woman. That’s not empowerment, it’s cosplay with hormones. And trust me, if I were in a sorority, I’d smile and say, “Congrats on your new pronouns, but no, you’re still not getting a bid.” You don’t rush your way into womanhood. Try again … oh wait, you can’t. Sorry.

End lane swerve.

LOL! CG, real talk. Something I’ve always wanted to ask you, just kept forgetting. I’ll post it on our chat thread since you felt you had to do a lane swerve.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by AGDee

My thoughts are that it's up to the private organizations to define these things, not the government. Are they going to require DNA tests before initiation? How would anybody know? How does it get verified? What about XXY folks?

Seriously, only a woman is every going to be interested in sorority life, legitimately. However, I believe a trans woman is a woman.

With all due respect, I hear your argument about how it’s hard to verify someone’s biological sex, but let me be clear, as a professional artist and designer who’s spent decades studying and teaching figure drawing and human anatomy, the male and female body are not interchangeable. Even without obvious markers, you can spot the difference in structure, proportion, and movement.

Arms are a perfect example. Men’s elbows hang differently, their shoulders sit wider, and their range of motion is more angular. Women have a softer rotation and a more curved skeletal balance. And that’s just arms. The hands and feet tell their own story too. Men typically have broader palms, thicker fingers, and squarer hand shapes. Women’s hands are more tapered, with narrower wrists and more delicate finger articulation. The same applies to feet. Men’s feet are generally wider and flatter with bulkier ankles, while women’s feet have higher arches, narrower structure, and finer bone definition.

Pelvic tilt, clavicle width, limb ratio, gait, it’s all biologically coded. These are anatomical realities that you can’t surgically replicate or hormone away.

You don’t need DNA tests, you need eyes and honesty. That’s all you need. Saying “how would we even know?” only works if we all agree to ignore everything we already do know about the human body.

Biology isn’t a belief system, it’s a blueprint. You don’t identify into a skeleton. The body always tells the truth, even when people don’t.

[Pinkmagnolia921]

I am also a member of the DAR on my Mother's side. Her family (German) settled in upstate NY near Albany. However, I have not been active for quite sometime now.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by Pinkmagnolia921

I am also a member of the DAR on my Mother's side. Her family (German) settled in upstate NY near Albany. However, I have not been active for quite sometime now.

Nor have I. My chapter is in PA, I'm living in IL now. Didn't really love the local chapter, so I keep my membership in PA.

[Phrozen Sands]

It seems like a sorority but deeper and harder to become a member of. Am I wrong y’all?

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

It seems like a sorority but deeper and harder to become a member of. Am I wrong y’all?

I can't speak for every chapter, but mine in PA is very much into veterans' affairs, helping the less fortunate, and patriotic endeavors. The chapter I checked out here seemed to be very much into ladies' teas, lunches, and parties. I suppose there's a sorority-like aspect to it, but IMHO, patriotism should come first.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I can't speak for every chapter, but mine in PA is very much into veterans' affairs, helping the less fortunate, and patriotic endeavors. The chapter I checked out here seemed to be very much into ladies' teas, lunches, and parties. I suppose there's a sorority-like aspect to it, but IMHO, patriotism should come first.

It's funny you mentioned the DAR. I haven't signed into GC in almost five years. I popped on after the Camp Mystic story broke to confirm it was the same place I used to read about here.

My daughter and I signed our DAR application papers tonight. The chapter we're joining just formed in November after some members opted to begin another chapter further north in our county away from the city-based chapter. The new chapter just happens to be in the small town where I live so it was perfect timing in every way. It's very focused on local service projects, serving veterans, helping military members, etc. Friendly down-to-earth women. I think you would like this chapter just based on what you said here.

Anyway, it was funny to see DAR mentioned on GC. Timing!

[Phrozen Sands]

I forgot to leave my opinion on the matter. I won’t get into the details PB posted LOL! because I don’t know what he knows, but I’ll just say this: I cosign with honeychile, CG, and PB - you got people identifying as animals now. Therefore, if a grown man tells me he’s a cat, I’m not buying kibble or building dude a scratching post. Same with gender. Those who disagree with me, believe what you want, but if you ain’t got ovaries or you can’t produce sperm, biology already told the truth.

[Pinkmagnolia921]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

I forgot to leave my opinion on the matter. I won’t get into the details PB posted LOL! because I don’t know what he knows, but I’ll just say this: I cosign with honeychile, CG, and PB - you got people identifying as animals now. Therefore, if a grown man tells me he’s a cat, I’m not buying kibble or building dude a scratching post. Same with gender. Those who disagree with me, believe what you want, but if you ain’t got ovaries or you can’t produce sperm, biology already told the truth.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what...obile&ie=UTF-8

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I can't speak for every chapter, but mine in PA is very much into veterans' affairs, helping the less fortunate, and patriotic endeavors. The chapter I checked out here seemed to be very much into ladies' teas, lunches, and parties. I suppose there's a sorority-like aspect to it, but IMHO, patriotism should come first.

Originally Posted by Pinkmagnolia921

https://www.google.com/search?q=what...obile&ie=UTF-8

Thanks for the info. It seems deep. Much more involved and harder to be accepted into compared to a sorority.

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Trans people already exist, and exist in our organizations, so good luck trying to sus them out. I'll have their backs every time.

Every time this topic pops up in my organization, I always ask - which part of initiation included the penis inspections? Which one of philanthropic endeavors required us to test our chromosomes? Surely, these things are happening in order for "the trans debate" to be a top concern of theirs.

Shockingly, haven't received an answer. Imagine that.

All of this.
Especially the bolded as long as they uphold the values of my org.

[*winter*]

I’ve never heard of First Families of Western PA. That’s cool! But I wouldn’t qualify lol we are relative newcomers on all sides of my family. Most from overseas, but my dad’s family is from the…other side…of the state. Don’t tell anyone lol

Completely off topic and sorry for the hijack…not much to add since my org hasn’t been exclusively female for many years (although I’ve never met a male member)

[knight_shadow]

Trans people already exist, and exist in our organizations, so good luck trying to sus them out. I'll have their backs every time.

Every time this topic pops up in my organization, I always ask - which part of initiation included the penis inspections? Which one of philanthropic endeavors required us to test our chromosomes? Surely, these things are happening in order for "the trans debate" to be a top concern of theirs.

Shockingly, haven't received an answer. Imagine that.

[aephi alum]

I'm glad to hear of this ruling.

AEPhi welcomes transgender women. You're a trans woman - you're a woman, end of story. If you identify as male, go check out the fraternities.

Interestingly enough, I was just reading up on the history of Mardi Gras / Carnival in New Orleans. A number of krewes are restricted by gender, while others are coed. Apparently, an effort was made back in 1991 to overturn the gender restriction. It fell flat, because tradition.