Ohio teens guilty of rape, face year-plus in jail

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by StealthMode

This is where we disagree--I see this as a very slippery slope argument. It's opposite from what people who push abstinence-only programs tend to say but it's just as fallible (to me) as saying those who get proper sex ed would take it as a green light to sleep with everyone.

No, THIS is where you and I disagree: I don't see anything wrong with a "green light to sleep with everyone", assuming consent, risk minimization (condoms and BC), etc.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No, THIS is where you and I disagree: I don't see anything wrong with a "green light to sleep with everyone", assuming consent, risk minimization (condoms and BC), etc.

Where I disagree here, condoms, BC, etc. are no guarantee against STDs, so I actually see quite a bit wrong with that, unless I'm misunderstanding your post.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

... condoms, BC, etc. are no guarantee against STDs, so I actually see quite a bit wrong with that, unless I'm misunderstanding your post.

This. Just because a girl may have all the knowledge about sex-ed and understand her sexuality, I don't think she should use it as a "green-light" for her to have as much sex as she wants. Not understanding the transmission of STD's is extremely dangerous and life threatening. Yes, some forms of birth control can reduce the spread of STDs, but they are not 100%. And, that is only if the birth control methods are used properly.

As I tell my students - genital herpes is FOR LIFE!!!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

As it should be. Placing a foreign object, should it be a penis, fingers or an inanimate object, in another person's vagina or anus without their consent is rape. Some jurisdictions may not be up to snuff on that, but the object inserted doesn't change the intrusion.

To be clear, just because a jurisdiction doesn't include penetration by a finger or an inanimate object without consent in the legal definition of "rape" doesn't mean that the jurisdiction doesn't criminalize such activity. Where I live, for example, these would fall under the legal definition of "sexual offense." But in terms of felony classification and potential sentencing, there is no difference between first degree rape and sexual offense or second degree rape and second degree sexual offense.

I'm not saying that you'd find the same in every state -- I have no idea one way or the other, though my hunch is that you would find similar laws in most states -- but it's a mistake to assume that just because the laws of a state adhere to a more traditional (and less expansive) legal definition of "rape," that state doesn't also criminalize other actions that might generally be included under a non-legal definition of "rape."

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I wasn't saying that it shouldn't be--fortunately it was in Ohio; had this happened in another state, all they could have gotten was a slap on the wrist (videotaped documentation notwithstanding). Of course, with the way things are now, no state is going to expand their definition of rape.

See above.