The Golden Rule

shirley1929 · #1 08-24-2011, 07:30 AM

I started this really in response to Wary's thread, so this either applies to you directly or it doesn't. Yes, she was warned not to continue, and she went forward, but does that give someone the license to create a sockpuppet with direct threats on her daughter's rush? Like they're the police of GreekChat?

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What this thread is lacking, however, is the OP telling us how many PMs she got in support of her thread. That's a classic rule of these kind of threads that can't be ignored.

And, I actually know better than to do that, because I know I'd get further flamed. But since you mentioned it, yes, I have received several.

I seriously didn't think that just a reminder to play nice in the sandbox would get people THAT rankled. If you're being nice, (and most of you are or else I wouldn't be trying to salvage this place) then I'm not talking to you directly. What I guess I didn't think through so much, was that if you're not, then you probably won't listen to me anyway.

I've just had so many people say to me (noobs) that they're scared to post anything because they're afraid of saying something. Is that the kind of environment we want to be a part of?

AlphaFrog · #2 08-24-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

I started this really in response to Wary's thread, so this either applies to you directly or it doesn't. Yes, she was warned not to continue, and she went forward, but does that give someone the license to create a sockpuppet with direct threats on her daughter's rush? Like they're the SS of GreekChat?

And, I actually know better than to do that, because I know I'd get further flamed. But since you mentioned it, yes, I have received several.

I seriously didn't think that just a reminder to play nice in the sandbox would get people THAT rankled. If you're being nice, (and most of you are or else I wouldn't be trying to salvage this place) then I'm not talking to you directly. What I guess I didn't think through so much, was that if you're not, then you probably won't listen to me anyway.

I've just had so many people say to me (noobs) that they're scared to post anything because they're afraid of saying something. Is that the kind of environment we want to be a part of?

SALVAGE this place? I wasn't aware that we were in need of a redeemer here. Should we praise you for offering yourself on the cross of ridicule? Sheesh.

shirley1929 · #3 08-24-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

SALVAGE this place? I wasn't aware that we were in need of a redeemer here. Should we praise you for offering yourself on the cross of ridicule? Sheesh.

Salvage is a big word, you're right & I haven't had coffee yet.

Guess I meant salvage it for the noobs. I've just directed a bunch of people here for advice and they're literally scared of it and won't post any questions. Most of you (absolutely you AF) are wonderful lovely people. I'm just looking for more people to feel comfortable and quit lurking. Maybe I poop rainbows.

Drolefille · #4 08-24-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

I've just had so many people say to me (noobs) that they're scared to post anything because they're afraid of saying something. Is that the kind of environment we want to be a part of?

Oh look, we got the PMs line now.

Boring.

Stop saying "we" like you represent anything but you.

Also since you fucking Godwin'd the thread you officially lose and the thread is over.

SS of Greekchat indeed, fuck you.

shirley1929 · #5 08-24-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Oh look, we got the PMs line now.

Boring.

Stop saying "we" like you represent anything but you.

Also since you fucking Godwin'd the thread you officially lose and the thread is over.

SS of Greekchat indeed, fuck you.

Wow...hostility! Definitely wasn't looking for that, but OK.

If you read the next one, I'm talking about people I personally direct here (for the good info) and then become scared to ask anything.

G'Day.

Drolefille · #6 08-24-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

Wow...hostility! Definitely wasn't looking for that, but OK.

If you read the next one, I'm talking about people I personally direct here (for the good info) and then become scared to ask anything.

G'Day.

So you didn't read my other posts in this thread then, I assume?

Again you make a lot of assumptions, including that I didn't read your posts. Stop doing that.

Also, when you make comparisons that are offensive, like piggybacking on the tragedy of teen suicides to tell us to ~behave~ ourselves, or making a fucking HOLOCAUST reference and comparing GC sockpuppets to the Nazi Schutzstaffel you're being fucking ignorant. Stop it.

Until GCers go to people's homes in the middle of the night and throw them into concentration camps that will never be an acceptable comparison.

shirley1929 · #7 08-24-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also, when you make comparisons that are offensive, like piggybacking on the tragedy of teen suicides to tell us to ~behave~ ourselves, or making a fucking HOLOCAUST reference and comparing GC sockpuppets to the Nazi Schutzstaffel you're being fucking ignorant. Stop it.

Until GCers go to people's homes in the middle of the night and throw them into concentration camps that will never be an acceptable comparison.

You know what? You're right. I apologize and will delete that part. BUT, it is reminscent of McCarthyism (better analogy?) when people become crazy stalkers and start "taking care" of things.

I guess it's probably not fun for you when I can have a calm conversation and admit when I'm wrong. I don't need to resort to profanity.

Many people don't do that here. I'm sincerely not trying to bash...I'm trying to help. Sorry that it's not coming off that way.

DrPhil · #8 08-24-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

BUT, it is reminscent of McCarthyism (better analogy?) when people become crazy stalkers and start "taking care" of things.

Please not this comparison again. Being dramatic in response to perceived drama never works. Find your own way to express your own opinion. Don't make yourself a spokesperson.

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

I guess it's probably not fun for you when I can have a calm conversation and admit when I'm wrong. I don't need to resort to profanity.

Many people don't do that here. I'm sincerely not trying to bash...I'm trying to help. Sorry that it's not coming off that way.

Life lesson:
I consider your tone condescending and it makes you that which you despise. Announcing that you are calm and that you are trying to help can receive a negative response on GC and in real life depending on the topic and who you're talking to.

shirley1929 · #9 08-24-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Life lesson:
I consider your tone condescending and it makes you that which you despise. Announcing that you are calm and that you are trying to help can receive a negative response on GC and in real life depending on the topic and who you're talking to.

And maybe that's what the very crux of my point is. Given that it's the written word, tone is VERY subjective. I didn't mean to be condescending, and yet I came off that way to you. You (the collective you of course) can come off that way as well, so we should all just be a little more careful in wording I guess.

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I have to admit, I can't believe this thread has gone on for so long....wow.

Agree. I thought it would be one post and done, but apparently a struck a nerve somewhere?

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shirley, I have something to add. You talked about how someone (I'm assuming from Texas or who has a chapter of their organization at Texas) was able to pick this young woman out in the crowd during recruitment. Here's my question: Doesn't that concern you on the part of the mother's lack of discretion, in the least? I have no clue who you are talking about or what really happened---you aren't telling us everything---but, if a PNM is that discernable from the rest of the crowd (UT has TONS of PNMs going through), then that's a problem.

I actually wasn't the one talking about this, I just mentioned that thread in general. I haven't said anything (to my memory) in that thread, I just referenced it. And yes, it does concern me (as I believe I mentioned in here) that the poster didn't listen, but do I think she then deserves what she got? NO.

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Originally Posted by als463

Sure, there are crazy people who lurk, sock-puppet, troll, etc. The truth is that you never know who is on here. As Drolefille stated earlier, many of us have people from our Inter/National headquarters on here (though they may not post). I'm sorry to hear about that young woman's recruitment not working out for her but, maybe you should be pointing the finger at mom who gave away so much information that she was easy to spot. If anything, that is a potentially dangerous situation that you are giving up so much information about your child or loved one that strangers on a website can pick them out of a line-up.

So, you are saying she got what she deserved? I'm still really baffled at that.

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Originally Posted by als463

So, stop yelling at those of us on GC that don't go looking to ruin someone's recruitment. Instead, start looking at the poor behavior of some of the parents who feel the need to disclose so many details about their child on an internet forum.

Seriously...where did I yell? Did I call you by name? If it doesn't apply to you, then don't respond to it. Simple. For the tenth time, I'm just asking people to think about how they can be construed before they post.

amIblue? · #10 08-24-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Until GCers go to people's homes in the middle of the night and throw them into concentration camps that will never be an acceptable comparison.

Absolutely.

But now I have this mental picture of the GC SS, which made me spit my coffee all over my laptop.

AlphaFrog · #11 08-24-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by amIblue?

Absolutely.

But now I have this mental picture of the GC SS, which made me spit my coffee all over my laptop.

Stop talking about us...uh, them....yeah, THEM like they exist. THEY DO NOT EXIST. Excuse me, I have some things, none of which are the least bit secret, to take care of.

amIblue? · #12 08-24-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Stop talking about us...uh, them....yeah, THEM like they exist. THEY DO NOT EXIST. Excuse me, I have some things, none of which are the least bit secret, to take care of.

Now, I've got different GC SS regiments going through my head. Different colored shirts for different sororities - (i.e., the Kappas would be known as the Blueshirts).

Also, are the PNMs on GC considered the GC Youth? Preparing for the day when they can join their regiment.

I mean, if we're going to go with the Nazi comparisons, let's do it right.

DrPhil · #13 08-24-2011, 08:46 AM

Threads like this always become ironic.

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

I started this really in response to Wary's thread, so this either applies to you directly or it doesn't.

You created this "be nice" thread specifically in response to sock puppets and trolls? Womp womp.

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

Yes, she was warned not to continue, and she went forward....

This should actually be the lesson. Everyone should already know that crazy readers, sock puppets, and trolls don't care about what they have a license to do. If being edited and banned mattered they would not come here in the first place.

People can continue to do whatever they do and put the onus on the crazy readers, sock puppets, and trolls. If that sounds smart to people then good luck to them.

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

And, I actually know better than to do that, because I know I'd get further flamed.

Where was the first flame? I wish people would stop making comments and then verbally preparing for some kind of backlash. You did that in your OP and you keep doing that. Own up to what you want to say and stop labeling the responses to your posts as flames. People...are...responding...to...you. If you don't want responses to your posts keep your opinions to yourself or private message them to someone who you know agrees with your every word.

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

I seriously didn't think that just a reminder to play nice in the sandbox would get people THAT rankled. If you're being nice, (and most of you are or else I wouldn't be trying to salvage this place) then I'm not talking to you directly. What I guess I didn't think through so much, was that if you're not, then you probably won't listen to me anyway.

I refuse to believe that you are clueless enough to create a thread to preach to sock puppets and trolls. How about you let us know who the nice and not nice usernames are. That will definitely rank and file usernames so that we can sing kumbaya one day.

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Originally Posted by shirley1929

I've just had so many people say to me (noobs) that they're scared to post anything because they're afraid of saying something. Is that the kind of environment we want to be a part of?

We aren't going to change. Is that the kind of environment YOU want to be a part of?