NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

Oh for sure, but an organization is not likely to get to the numbers and history required to join the NPC if they can't take care of and nurture the chapters they already have. (I mean that as a general statement for any group.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Regina.George

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

See this :

Originally Posted by Regina.George

It's always the fat uglies with horrible personality disorders who wouldn't stand a chance of getting a bid to even the lowest tier chapter at a competitive school who feel they are the expert on what Greek life should be.

This means you have zero respect in this conversation. None. So buhbye.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

Exactly. I'm not saying chapters would never close, or go local, or even go local and later affiliate/be absorbed, but the incentive for active members to make that vote is removed. And ultimately the troll's point above doesn't matter. NPCs fail to take care of chapters well and lose them all the time. But they're shuttered, and given the opportunity to rebuild later. Other national chapters don't get that respect and I think it's something that should change.

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

See this :


This means you have zero respect in this conversation. None. So buhbye.


Exactly. I'm not saying chapters would never close, or go local, or even go local and later affiliate/be absorbed, but the incentive for active members to make that vote is removed. And ultimately the troll's point above doesn't matter. NPCs fail to take care of chapters well and lose them all the time. But they're shuttered, and given the opportunity to rebuild later. Other national chapters don't get that respect and I think it's something that should change.

Yet Petunia continues to respond to me.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by psy

WTF?

Just a few posts after the one you responded to, sigmadiva, in response to IrishLake, made clear that she wasn't implying that NPC orgs have no history, tradition, legacy or place in the community.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yeah, I know. I just did not know how else to describe it.

Hence, IrishLake's response to you -- sigmadiva had already addressed your concern.

[33girl]

Regardless of whether KBG nationals was a giant box of hair, IMO from what people on here said - including people included with those 2 chapters - the women in the chapters didn't seem to understand the gravity of what they were doing and if they didn't, the older and wiser NPCs colonizing them should have told them. It's the same as if you're pledging a chapter that closes and take a bid from another place. Yes you are entitled and allowed to do that and no you don't have to say anything to your ex-soon-to-be chapter, but it's the good and kind thing to do.

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

It is no way similar to "gays against marriage," but there is nothing wrong with separation as long as it is based on equal opportunity and equal choice.

[SWTXBelle]

I would use a sports analogy:

Both teams play a sport; One team is playing basketball, one team is playing football. Different rules, different ball, different uniforms - but both are undoubtedly sports teams. Neither one is "better" - just different.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is no way similar to "gays against marriage," but there is nothing wrong with separation as long as it is based on equal opportunity and equal choice.

I didn't think that part was dead on either, but just including the first part seemed a little abrupt.

People don't know the difference between "equality" and "sameness."

ETA: oh jeepers, sorry I took this thread a careening everywhere, this week has been quite tiring and I forgot where I was.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

I really don't see a connection between the analogies in each statement.

True story: When I was an undergrad a 'study-buddy' of mine was a white girl. One night she was studying with me and our mutual guy friend, who is Black.

As we were leaving the architecture building, she turned to us and said "Y'all are like 'white-Black' people." She really thought she was giving us a compliment. We politely told her that she was not.


I do think, however, whites have a tendency to assume that the world is not right until everyone assimilates to their way of thinking and doing things.

Why can't y'all just accept there are differences in the world, and not everyone wants to be just like you.

Someone mentioned up-thread that the NPHC has been operating just fine the way it has been for just over 100 years, and we are still going strong.

Each org / council has established what ever criteria they felt best for their membership. One is not better than the other - they are just different.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I really don't see a connection between the analogies in each statement.

LOL. I responded based on what I considered the intended implications of the statements.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

True story: When I was an undergrad a 'study-buddy' of mine was a white girl. One night she was studying with me and our mutual guy friend, who is Black.

As we were leaving the architecture building, she turned to us and said "Y'all are like 'white-Black' people." She really thought she was giving us a compliment. We politely told her that she was not.

Yes, many of "us educated Black folk" have received that "compliment" from whites and


I do think, however, whites have a tendency to assume that the world is not right until everyone assimilates to their way of thinking and doing things.

Why can't y'all just accept there are differences in the world, and not everyone wants to be just like you.

Someone mentioned up-thread that the NPHC has been operating just fine the way it has been for just over 100 years, and we are still going strong.

Each org / council has established what ever criteria they felt best for their membership. One is not better than the other - they are just different.

See, I had a long post in response to 33girl's post but didn't post it because I knew it would take this thread elsewhere. I love your post but know that it takes this thread elsewhere. And you know how GC acts when it is taken...elsewhere. *dundundun...dunnnnnnnnnn....*